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What would it look like?

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Bewilderednow · 07/06/2018 04:57

First in the hope of clear answers, and so I'm not viewed with suspicion, I am transgender. My question is what would legislation look like if you could pass every law regarding transgender issues tomorrow? Thank you for reading and for any response.

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gendercritter · 09/06/2018 22:02

(Am over-exhausted. 'Massive-brained' was supposed to be a compliment of the highest kind. BlushGrin)

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/06/2018 22:07

I have no idea which rule of feminism it is. I need help with the numbering. But one rule of feminism is that women always have to be calm and nice, and sweet and welcoming and reasonable, even when people are trying to trample us.

Anger is a reasonable response. It really is.

thebewilderness · 09/06/2018 22:10

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries. Go away or I shall taunt you a second time."

speakingwoman · 09/06/2018 22:16

Hi OP

I think it is a genuine shock to come here for the first time.

I thought the position I held was self-evidently reasonable and was pretty shocked when my bottom was handed to me on a plate.

Stick around.

LaSqrrl · 09/06/2018 22:56

Boatyard
Separating sex and gender would allow us to properly evaluate the success of policies and initiatives to address sex discrimination, ditto trans inclusion policies

You would think, particularly on the platform of being the most oppressed group of people on the planet, that they would want specific trans inclusion monitoring. But no, they do not. Perhaps the 'most oppressed' status is a tad overstated? Hmm

BronwenFrideswide · 09/06/2018 23:41

Bewiderednow Why should we have to storm a castle just to keep the very few, hard won, rights we have as biological females? You haven't been clear on what your position is yet you say you are not welcome here because you hold a different opinion, what is that opinion? You said it was an honest question in your opening post and posters have replied to it in good faith but you are not showing similar good faith in your responses.

Why are third spaces, different service provisions, etc., such an anathema?

GibbertyFlibbert · 09/06/2018 23:45

"Why are third spaces, different service provisions, etc., such an anathema?"

Because trans people are men and women, not a third sex, and trans women want women only spaces just as much as any other women.

thebewilderness · 09/06/2018 23:55

Then they should use the sex specific space provided for them and not try to make all spaces mixed sex spaces.

BronwenFrideswide · 09/06/2018 23:57

No they are not a third sex but trans women are not of the female sex, they are of the male sex and if they don't want to share with males then why not a third option for their exclusive use, why are they so determined to appropriate female sex only spaces and services even when they know that this, as I stated before, has a direct and detrimental impact on females?

GibbertyFlibbert · 10/06/2018 00:06

www.refinery29.uk/trans-women-safe-spaces-caroline-flint

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Bewilderednow · 10/06/2018 00:09

Is it possible to delete a thread you started or your individual posts? I'm so embarrassed I had the temerity to speak to real women. Please excuse me! How could a horrible mutilated man have the gall to say a word not on keeping with your divine given right to arbitrate who others are. Oh I'm sorry becuase it's
TIM right? That's not a slur becuase it describes someone. TERF is different however it's a SLUR.

Hypocrisy anyone?

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Bewilderednow · 10/06/2018 00:13

Oh and if I may? Yes I would say be NICE, and I would and do say this to Trans Advicates when they are asses. Empathy is not a vice or a sign of weakness.

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NaturalBornWoman · 10/06/2018 00:15

I had the temerity to speak to real women. Please excuse me! How could a horrible mutilated man have the gall to say a word not on keeping with your divine given right to arbitrate who others are

Oh get over yourself and stop being fucking manipulative.

thebewilderness · 10/06/2018 00:16

They always get nasty when you tell them no.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 10/06/2018 00:19

Bewilderednow chill out!
I think we just want biology to arbitrate- male humans can & will always remain male humans.
Sex segregation has been shown /is known to increase the safety of female humans. Sex segregation also provides dignity for both sexes.
Why would we want to do away with sex segregation?

You never answered my question about my 9 yr old DD who swims like a fish & wants to go to the pool alone - there is an open plan communal women/girls changing room. Do you understand why I dont want a male body in there with her?

BronwenFrideswide · 10/06/2018 00:19

What do you mean we are arbitrating who others are? What has made you so upset and cross, OP?

Women tried being nice, we gave an inch and are now paying for it.

thebewilderness · 10/06/2018 00:19

Misogynists, I mean, of course, because NAMALT.

BronwenFrideswide · 10/06/2018 00:31

Just read the article you posted Gib - what exactly does that prove?

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Bewilderednow · 10/06/2018 00:34

Let's see what bothers me? I was a punching bag from my first post. What I learned, you are just as cruel and crass as the people who you hate. And let's be honest in that dark heart, you do hate us. I read these posts and what is communicated? Oh TIM's are all violent perverts seeking the privilege to rob sanitary products from waste bins, or we are just confused gay men. No. I don't care anymore. Not about you, or the activists on the transide. I hope both of have a long hate filled party. I done with you both.

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BoneShaker · 10/06/2018 00:34

Is it possible to delete a thread you started or your individual posts?

I hope MNHQ leave this thread up. It's a very good example of women calmly and patiently explaining their position, and taking the time to answer questions.

In return, their own questions go unanswered. Instead they are faced with manipulative hyperbole.

Keep the thread.

PurpleCrowbar · 10/06/2018 00:39

Full on strop because women say No.

Predictable.

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/06/2018 00:41

I was a punching bag from my first post.

I was the first respondent. So if you were a punching bag, I was the puncher. I took your post as a genuine question, about policy not about your personhood. Could you explain why you think I was cruel and crass?

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Bewilderednow · 10/06/2018 00:53

MTP you did not. I felt a bit scared Becuase I did not think there was much in common. It is hard to find issues we could compromise on. What I did not expect was socks deriding me. I say hey these things we agree on, good start right? Nope. I get of course thanks for insulting us with what we should already have. Just where does that leave transfolk? How are you different?

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thebewilderness · 10/06/2018 00:55

When you say compromise you mean which of women's rights will we agree to roll back.
You are offended when we say none.
We are offended that you think our rights are effing negotiable.

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/06/2018 01:02

Thanks. We have a lot in common. And personally I don't want anyone to feel bad.

But politically I will build the barricades to defend my DD's rights.

Those two things are different.