A supportive trans parent

[bethmins]

Theres plenty of mention on here about people such as Lily Maynard who's child was never diagnosed as having gender dysphoria 'detransitioned' so in the interests of balance and discussion, here is an alternative view..

"I understand the scepticism around how biology can be misused, but surely that does not mean this should be rejected outright?

Whilst supporters of trans rights shy away from biology and science, it allows transphobic groups to present themselves as champions of science and rationality. Claims that couldn’t be farther from the truth."

growinguptransgender.wordpress.com/2018/06/04/biological-underpinning-to-gender-identity/

This is a feminism chat board - what relevance has this to the rights of women and girls?

I don't understand your reasons for posting this in Feminism?

A quick skim of that blog post reveals that its author believes Cordelia Fine to be guilty of biological essentialism. Talk about a mirror world in which up is down, right is wrong, facts are up for invention.

"This is a feminism chat board - what relevance has this to the rights of women and girls?"

Exactly as much as the anti-trans threads belong under feminism.

well as at least 75% of this board is discussing trans people, I find it incredible that the only time a response like yours pops up is when the article is not actually denigrating trans people.

Amazing isn't it? Day after day, thread after thread, criticising trans people and single positive account.... and suddenly no one wants to discuss it?

We see you.

Lily Maynard is an extremely supportive parent, yes! Can’t mention her enough. Her daughter is such a lucky girl

Beth weren't you the poster who just said on another thread that "we see you" was a poor debating technique?

Exactly as much as the anti-trans threads belong under feminism.
The right of men to identify as women is in conflict with the right of women and girls to keep males out of female-only spaces. Is that clear enough for you Gibberty?

bethmins

You’ll find that people on this board have read a lot of blogs by both gender critical and trans activists. There are even transpeople who post on here. The debate is wide but it is mainly around the implication of self id for women’s spaces.

Although this might seem like a transphobic board to you. To others it I a safe space to discuss violations for women’s and girls rights and needs and the sexualisation of childhood, specifically the pushing of gender roles.

If you want to engage with all of that, fine. But I can assure you that it won’t go well for you if you want to force people to read your blog through emotional blackmail and name calling.

fermets yes, this time it was used ironically

People discuss trans issues on this board because it directly impacts women and girls. Feminism is obviously pro women’s and girls rights. The current trans issues are stomping all over them. So the fem boards ARE the best place for them to be.

People DO discuss it. But your never going to get the the response your looking for because people are to busy fighting to protect the rights of female born women.

We see you straight back

Ah, so you're allowed to use irony but other people aren't. Fine. Got it. (And I'm supposed to believe you're posting in good faith...)

Now care to explain in what way Cordelia Fine is a biological essentialist when the whole goddam point of her book is the precise opposite?

MissSusanSays

supporting a trans child = sexualisation of children??

Nope, nothing transphobic there... hmmm

By the way - that blog piece has 131 references to 'gender', 156 reference to 'trans' and 47 references to 'identity' and yet absolutely no attempt to explain what, exactly, the author understands those terms to mean.

I possess a deeply held, insistent, consistent and persistent internal sense of bleeblabloo.

If ANY of your terms remain undefined your entire argument becomes meaningless.

The author believes that 'gender' exists but dares not to attempt to explain what is meant by it, if it isn't sex (and it very, very obviously isn't sex).

There's a very obvious reason such gender-believers refuse to explain their blind faith.

Your post is unclear. What do you mean by 'support'?
If your daughter was anorexic would you offer her liposuction and deny her food?

Medically transitioning children leaves them sterile and unable to achieve orgasm when they reach adulthood.

How is that being supportive? Do you seriously expect people on the feminist board of a parenting forum to support it?

Oh, are you the author, bethmins?

Here's your opportunity to explain what you mean by
gender
trans
identity
male
female
girl
boy
man
woman
sex

Because all the blarney in the world won't help give clarity to your position if you can't even attempt to explain what the devil you are talking about.

No circular references, please.

bethmins

I didn’t make that connection. You did. We also discuss the sexualisation of children. The section of my post referring to the pushing of gender roles was relevant to you.

How did you know your child was transgender?

Barrack
Nope I'm not the author, although I'm happy to discuss it in good faith I hardly suspect that will happen on here, alas.... the deliberate whattaboutery, and sea-lioning of terms that are all available in the dictionary, and common use implications in 2018 are very clear.

It's seems the term in itself 'trans woman' is for some reason impossible to understand on these boards, as is 'gender identity'.
These terms are clearly understood in the modern world.... I'm not sure that I can help anyone on here get up to date on all etymology, but I can recommend google, but you would need to at least go to neutral sites, rather than the plethora of anti-trans sites making money out of spreading confusion and misinformation.

Good luck on your journey for knowledge!

MissSusanSays

Your words ....
"Although this might seem like a transphobic board to you. To others it I a safe space to discuss violations for women’s and girls rights and needs and the sexualisation of childhood, specifically the pushing of gender roles. "

bethmins

I don’t get why you’re here. Either you want to share your story to open our eyes or you’re goading with someone else’s (flawed and non-sensical) blog post.

How did you know your child was trans?

That was a lot of words to simply say
"I can't"

Seriously - your whole ideology is based upon the claim that 'gender' is real and innate, and totally different from sex, but you can't actually tell us what you mean by it?

If you want to show good faith, by all means, show it.

What do YOU understand gender to mean? You're clearly convinced it exists.

In the absence of your alternative definition which you refuse to provide, I'm afraid gender will continue to be understood as the harmful cultural stereotypes attached to each of the two biological sexes, designed to reinforce the inferiority of the female sex.

So I probably won't be giving much credibility to those who want me to worship the concept like they do.

What you quoted would not be transphobic unless you are willing to admit that the diagnosis of trans children was based on adult gender roles and preferences pushed on them by their parents.

Support them all you want but trans id is horrible idea and infringes real womens/mens rights. All the surgery and drugs wont make them a woman/man.

Lily Maynard is a fantastically supportive parent, well done to her . Thanks to someone else for mentioning her.

I do refuse to click on your link though as from your responses so far I don’t think you really want to engage or discuss.