Feminism chat under attack

[InfiniteSheldon]

I'm seeing a lot of threads being started and posts on threads that are subtle and not so subtle attempts to shut the topic down or make it unusable.

To put this into context, it's happening and has happened before. Those of us who voted Leave saw this in the EU boards now there has been an almost total shut down of the Leave voice because of an aggressive and determined close down of speech. Those of us worried about self I'd are being slowly shutdown too. I don't care if you voted Leave or Remain I'm just using this to highlight that this happens we need to not sleepwalk.into it again.

I've seen the #weseeyou and it seems a great response (fairly sure some of the responses to these type of threads are planted too). I know you can't ban posters from engaging and obviously I wouldn't want to. But feeding the trolls doesn't help.

Why don't you just counter their opinion with your better argument instead of accusing them of something you have no proof of?

This is the internet, not a court of law. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck most people are going to suspect it of being a duck. Arguing with a duck is not a useful expenditure of energies so some people prefer to say no and simply remind others of what MN advises in these circumstances.
If you don't like it I suggest you take it up with MNHQ or report comments you consider to be inappropriate.

that doesn't mean that anyone who brings the opposite view point is automatically out to get you.

I don't think that is their concern. There are posters on the forum who do not think that transitioned trans women are women. They state repeatedly that no trans woman should ever be in a female space. They believe that such a woman should not be allowed to change her legal sex to female and that the Gender Recognition Act should be abolished.

They not only believe all of that but they are so emotionally invested in it that being able to state 'trans women are men' seems central to their very existence. It appears to be their raison d'être at the moment. I wonder if the TWAM gang are going to feel very empty if one day they won't be able to come here for their daily fix of misgendering.

JuzzaL I think a few of us did. The message about the post being deleted was a mass email, it said so in the email.

I read the thread you were replying to, it wasn't aimed at Posie it was aimed at the deleted one.

Therefore they'll shut down what could have been an interesting debate because they think that everyone who disagrees with them is automatically a man, a TRA or a handmaiden and therefore believe they're being "picked on"

Since this is the Feminism, formerly women's rights, chat I think it unlikely that the women here want to have an interesting debate on whether or not women have too many rights

The first post says nothing about women having too many rights.

The reply is exactly the sort of response the first post is referring to.

I gotta bit of a soft spot for derailed theads. Unfortunately the only ones I have seen have gone on to recipes, which I'm not into, animals I'm more into, maybe I'll be luckier next derail. On the current 'woman is violent' people have been putting up GC arguements now and again so its not been total derail. Its a bit serious here and its nice to have a lighter thread which brings out the lurckers.
Tacolover I would like to apologise if I hurt your feelings. I'm not the only one on here who gets narked with religion you'll find. Hope you are keeping your strength up. The mn feminist thread may not be the best place to come when hungry! But I see you are a regular on AIBU which I understand is REALLY scary.

If you don't like it I suggest you take it up with MNHQ or report comments you consider to be inappropriate

I usually do an advance search on posters who are accused of being men. I have found posters who were talking on other threads about escaping abusive relationships or about their experiences in child birth or about their experiences of being a woman of colour. I report the "you are a man" posts.

I have been told several times that I'm a man, although that has tbf stopped now. The first time was a poster in her early 20s telling me, then in my mid 50s, I had so much to learn about being a woman.

JuzzaL

Apologies.

You've proven my point. Im as gender critical as they come, staunchly anti self id, have been on mumsnet for about 10 years and posting regularly on FWR for about 2 years. But because I've name changed and you don't recognise me, you've decided you already know my motives and that you think you know what angle I'm coming from. My point simply put is that if gc feminists want a debate with tras, if someone pops up to start a debate then don't make it your goal to be as obnoxious as possible in your replies to that person to chase them off. Unless of course you want to make it look like you don't have a counter argument.

I have been told several times that I'm a man, although that has tbf stopped now.

This in conjunction with quoting me implies that I am one of the perps who called you a man. I did not do so.
I used to think this sort of subtext accusation was inadvertent. I no longer do.

My point simply put is that if gc feminists want a debate with tras, if someone pops up to start a debate then don't make it your goal to be as obnoxious as possible in your replies to that person to chase them off.

Then have your debate for the ninety second time and stop berating women who choose to say no, thank you, I do not want.

I think it's really disgusting to tell lesbians what their boundaries should be. I don't want to debate people like that.

"I think it's really disgusting to tell lesbians what their boundaries should be."

Which precisely no one did.

You just questioned and cast doubt. Bleuch.

"They have had a threat deleted"

A threat? Is that a typo or a lie?

" they're nothing but a GF out to cause trouble"

Or possibly a trans woman vigorously defending her people.

So if MNHQ decide the harassment by the transcult is too much and stop people telling the truth,

It's not really about what MN decides. It has already been decided that it is harassment by the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/gender-reassignment-discrimination#what

Wakame To make it clear, it was a typo, you had a threaD deleted for being a GF.

This in conjunction with quoting me implies that I am one of the perps who called you a man. I did not do so
I used to think this sort of subtext accusation was inadvertent. I no longer do

No it was 100% not specifically directed at you. I was quite clearly responding to your particular and then going on to other points.

The fact you think it was about you just further reinforces what Bobbi was saying about some posters on this forum who are determined to believe that any slightly dissenting voice is out to get them or that everything is about them personally.

I have no idea if you are one of the posters who said I was a man. I don't have a list of their names and even if I did people name change names.

Given that the specific comment I singled out was by a poster in her mid 20s and I'm pretty certain you are older than me your mental gymnastics to make it all about you are impressive.

Given that the specific comment I singled out was by a poster in her mid 20s and I'm pretty certain you are older than me your mental gymnastics to make it all about you are impressive.

Coming from you that is a remarkable statement.