Maybe it's me?

[womanformallyknownaswoman]

Maybe it's me - in many of the recent posts I sense, see and smell a set up - I see a wolf dressed as Grandma.

An OP who I don't recognise posts a question used to enable concern trolling and sealioning. Comments suddenly appear from newish unfamiliar accounts to challenge the inch given and demand that we conform to their inclusive demands which require us women giving up a pound of flesh. The thread appears to generate goady responses and maybe Twitter clickbait

Oh if I could bag all that concern and turn it into gold, I'd be a rich woman

I don't want to talk about them and their tactics - that's boring.

I want to talk feminism. For example -

Why are feminists expected to pander to anyone else's demands? Why can't feminists say no without sanction? What's so wrong with feminists being self centred and looking after women's needs? After all men do it all the tine. Why do social media platforms repeatedly demonstrate they are part of the problem and not of the solution? Why do they ignore 51% and why don't we withhold our presence from Twitter etc. Why does this keep happening and what other measures can we take?

Just checking:)))

I could live without the constant dark insinuations that posters with opinions that differ from the prevailing orthodoxy are men / seagulls / MRAs / TRAs / Potatoes / brigading. To me they do damage discourse by putting people on the offensive.

I agree with this, actually. But to me, the important thing is to look at the content of what such posters say. If they are stating opinions that differ from prevailing orthodoxy, that's one thing (and in my view, they should not be attacked for it). It's quite another to persistently misrepresent what other people say, use name calling and labelling, insinuation and other dishonest argument techniques (not accusing you of that, Beyond).

I think many of the posters on the other thread were consistently misrepresented. It wasn’t a conversation, it was a telling-off with the expectation of falling in line.

I've lost count of how many times I've been troll hunted on this board. It's really disheartening and horrible.

The only other time I ever got troll hunted on mn was on AIBU, and that was a thread that happened to be about, you guessed it, trans people.

I'm as careful as can be not to use inflammatory terms, to quote accurately, ask specific questions, address the post content and not the person. I've given my mn bonafides (poo troll, naive ham, COD), described my experiences, explained my reasoning. It makes not one jot of difference.

Every single time I post to talk about trans issues from a position of empathy with trans people, I get troll hunted. Every. Single. Time

I'm at a loss as to how to be part of the discussion at this point. The board claims to welcome and respect different opinions on trans issues, but that's not how it feels, at all.

It probably did come across as a telling off because posters were defending xenophobic posts or denying there was a problem with them. For example, putting the hashtag #disgusting and naming the school in the tweet about girls in hijab. This is not benign criticism of Islam. It was targeting muslim school kids IMHO. It was then offensive to try an gaslight those who pointed this out.

Here we go again. We are not going down that rabbit hole again. We aren’t talking about specific opinions relating to that thread, we are talking about the general problems with the way people are not being heard/comments being taken out of context.

Oh the irony.

I'll repeat - it is specifically against Talk Guidelines to change a thread so that is is about another thread. Stop. Doing. It.

I'm sorry but I see that as an attempt to shut me down. I'm not having it.

I was recently attacked on here by regular posters. I have no idea why. Their attack was based on something they decided I was saying, not on my post that they misrepresented.

I’m not the only one and I agree it’s tiresome. There was another TRA insinuation only this morning.

I do wish some of you would stop checking under the bed for monsters!
Yes, there are some very sad individuals combing MN for Twitter fodder, but they’re even boring their own followers now.

Tiresome. I thought the opening post and linked comments were interesting, but the thread appears to be about something else entirely

I'm addressing the points that are being made. I'm sorry if that's tiresome.

I'm sorry but I see that as an attempt to shut me down. I'm not having it take it up with HQ then TAAT aren't allowed and neither is transferring arguments from one thread to another.

Why should I take it up with HQ when I'm not the one complaining about it?
Ppl are indirectly refering to the other thread on here. I'm answering some points that are being made using examples from that thread.
The thread wasn't healthy I admit. I found it quite disheartening.

Thank you so much for the post WFKAW. I went to bed last night thinking what can I do. I've been here maybe 3 months and this is the first time I saw such as concerted attack.
Of course troll hunting is against the rules-and for good reason. But I used the search for alot of them and they were mostly new.
The Jo Freeman link highlighted many pertinent things. One was our anger. Yesterday I was thinking well we are ALL angry. Some are angry pp is speaking. Others are angry she was asked not to speak. Yet others are angry about how it was done. Yesterday a poster started a thread asking how cope with anger, does it get better with time. I thought about replying. I had lots of thoughts. But then I thought oh thats not original, someone else will say that. I also thought o people might accuse you of saying 'Get a grip'. You'll have to be very clear. I talked myself out of replying. Its no joke this training to JSTFU. Mostly I just wish I'd defended anger. Talked about reframing it, about how we are trained to see it as a bad thing. And why we are trained that way.

I don't know why people(including me) are accused of being TRAs or whatever because they have a new account? I find it quite insulting as there is no evidence for that. Having a new account doesn't mean you made it for the sole purpose of woman-bashing or bullying(things I was also accused of for offering a different viewpoint). I'm not trying to bring up any other threads. But being dismissed or insulted because you have a new account is just grasping at straws.

I wasn't going to get involved in this bun fight but the 'mentioning bombs' reference in an earlier post is talking about a post on the other thread where a poster raised the experience of being brought up in Northern Ireland, it was not in reference to anything else and that, I think, should be made clear.

There have been numerous cases of people opening MN accounts to goad, troll, and post inflammatory material for the sole purpose of taking screen grabs to post on Twitter as 'proof' of their claims about the nature of the debate on here. Apparently new posters who directly misrepresent what has been said elsewhere tend to be viewed with some scepticism therefore. HTH

The assumptions made about posters on the threads on Friday etc. to me were symptomatic of this check your privilege trope which has taken hold.

Because we were not visibly checking our own privilege and were failing to check anyone else's privilege, we were not demonstrating enough of the peformative humbling manner this new style requires and therefore had to be managed by the proponents of this new style.

It seemed relentless to me.

This is bullying auntycartmanslargertesticle. Your behaviour is revolting.

Well we are stuck now TacoLover, this thread has been derailed onto the other thread. This is what happens.

It's not all about flahnazia. It's not all about anyone.

I can tell you exactly whose behaviour has been completely unacceptable on this thread.

I love that video.