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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans activist ‘bullies’ stop donations for schoolchildren

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spontaneousgiventime · 03/06/2018 01:12

A feminist group concerned about the social pressure placed on children to become transgender has had its fundraising stopped after a “bullying” campaign by trans activists.

Transgender Trend said it was considering taking legal action against activists for claiming that a resource pack that it publishes for schools was “transphobic”, included “hate speech” and was “a modern edition of Mein Kampf”.

Article in the Sunday Times by Andrew Gilligan.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-activist-bullies-stop-donations-for-schoolchildren-cgj29rcdl?shareToken=746c374cf3bc1f1470d9e785cfc9ff4f

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ToeToToe · 03/06/2018 01:24

Andrew Gilligan is excellent on this. Thanks for posting.

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Waddlelikeapenguin · 03/06/2018 01:38

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GibbertyFlibbert · 03/06/2018 02:02

One of the cores of feminism has been that women, not men, decide what is best for women. So why isn't it equally the case that trans groups are best placed to decide what is best for trans children?

ToeToToe · 03/06/2018 02:08

Because trans groups seem to want to put children on a pathway of puberty blockers, sex hormones for life and life-changing surgery. Surgery and drugs that will likely leave a child sterile, before they're even old enough to understand the decision they're making (or is being made for them). No other branch of medicine will allow this.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 03/06/2018 02:22

Another great article - thank you to all those journalists helping to get our concerns out there

thebewilderness · 03/06/2018 05:57

Why would anyone entrust children to people with a delusional disorder?

athingthateveryoneneeds · 03/06/2018 06:32

Parents should be the ones deciding what is best for their children, not politicised pressure groups with overseas funding. Strawman argument.

TransplantsArePlants · 03/06/2018 07:15

Well, Susie Green had me at 'hysterical'

Thanks Susie

Mannix · 03/06/2018 07:18

Good to see a measured article on this issue.

UrsulaPandress · 03/06/2018 07:19

Trashing children is child abuse.

UrsulaPandress · 03/06/2018 07:24

Transing.

Trashing is also.

ChickenMe · 03/06/2018 07:39

Thank goodness the message is becoming mainstream

I'd really like an article on how gender has replaced sex and explaining the difference to people.

I'm increasingly seeing forms where it asks for gender and whenever it's possible to cross it out and replace it with SEX I do. I always understood gender to be masculine or feminine. You know, like le la etc I find it ridiculous that I am being asked if I am masc or fem and am tempted to write NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS

numberseven · 03/06/2018 07:54

So why isn't it equally the case that trans groups are best placed to decide what is best for trans children?

My oldest child declared he's a cat recently. Should I contact furry groups so they can decide how he should be raised?

CallingDannyBoy · 03/06/2018 08:02

Great article and comments. There is a real difference at the moment between how newspapers and TV are treating the issue.

KittiesInsane · 03/06/2018 08:11

Trans adults can decide what is best for them (though not at the expense of others). They can advise, not decide, on what is best for children. And they do need to accept that, you know, not every child IS trans, and those whose aren’t are not going to be best served by an ‘affirmation only’ mentality.

TransplantsArePlants · 03/06/2018 08:18

Good comments underneath

Well done to everyone who has forced this into the mainstream

lightthedarkness · 03/06/2018 08:21

GibbertyFlibbert
Parents and qualified adults working with children are the appropriate people to decide on what's best for a child. Random people from activist organisations and the internet are the ones who should be kept away from influencing vulnerable children. Their only interest is their cause - and at times they pose a real threat to them. Look at the pro ana sites (eating disorders) and the pro suicide sites and decide whether they are the best to advise children?

Opheliah · 03/06/2018 08:27

It says Stephanie is considering legal action.

Is this possible? I'd have thought most complaints would have been made anonymously. Who could she actually 'blame' or sue?

I hope Crowdfunder look into it and see that the complaints are batshit.

Opheliah · 03/06/2018 08:28

I am waiting for the day Mermaids gets shut down for being exposed as the child abuse charity it is. I'm sure they're behind much of the attack on the crowdfunder.

ReluctantCamper · 03/06/2018 08:34

great article, thanks for linking to it

Lemonjello · 03/06/2018 08:40

So why isn't it equally the case that trans groups are best placed to decide what is best for trans children?

Trans groups that advocate and lobby on the topic of trans children are usually populated by parents of trans children.

Parents of trans children have a desperate incentive to validate the choices they have made on behalf of their children.

Look at how heated FF vs BF debates get on here. Full of parents desperate to justify and validate the choice they have made for their child. And the outcomes for BF vs FF kids are basically negligible.

Take that desperation to justify and validate parenting decisions and add in the high stakes of sterility and fear of suicide and you have a massive and dangerous bias towards any approach that validates your own choices. It would be impossible to retain an objective approach under these circumstances.

The bias parents have towards their own decisions is highly pervasive and I would say pretty much every parent has it, because the alternative is that you have failed your child, and that is tortuous.

People like Susie Green cannot be open to any other way of managing trans identified and gender non conforming children. Because otherwise they have to be open to the possibility that they have failed their child in an earth shattering way.

I know she gets a lot of stick here but I still feel wretched for Susie Green. Maybe I don’t need to and she doesn’t have a whiff of self doubt, but as a parent I find that hard to believe.

CorbynTrouserPress · 03/06/2018 08:40

Gibberty guidelines were required that consider the best interests of all children in a school as they are also affected by the school's policy towards pupils that trans.

If a girl starts using a boys bathroom or changing with them then the boys are also affected. Likewise, if there's a narrative that she knows she's a boy because she likes boy things, then that reinforces gender stereotypes for them. At the same time if that girl is hugely celebrated and receives lots of attention that could lead to copycat behaviour.

I read the resource pack and felt it balanced the needs of all pupils sensitively.

AncientLights · 03/06/2018 08:45

Very good article & thanks to AG for writing it. I'm part way through reading TGT's resource pack with a keen eye looking for the 'hysteria', 'transphobia' & 'hate'. None so far. Unless disagreeing with the TRA stance of mindless promotion of this and adulation of its participants count as those.