If you only thought about the good of women and girls...

[speakingwoman]

Would it be more logical to encourage so-called trans identifying children to be socialised in their adopted gender, allowed puberty blockers, etc?

So that young trans women had female socialisation.

After all we have grave concerns about trans women
wh were raised with Male socialisation.

Just a thought.

No.

Eh?

Lupron causes irreversible damage to sexual organs, bones and ligaments.

How is giving this to young girls (often dealing with a very normal sense of fear over puberty) helping them in any way?

Nope!

Well, maybe, if you had a time machine and could track back to individuals who would benefit from such an intervention!

So, nope!

No

Obvs.

So we give young people puberty blockers and encourage them in their adopted gender? We possibly sterilise them, cause unknown damage to them, likely cause them to be unable to function as a sexual being, Maybe cause sterility, all that so they can socialise in their chosen gender? I think you need your head read.

Barack can you talk me through?

Or does the question not make sense?

I am just trying to centre women and girls.

Socialised, yes, of course. Being gender non-comforming should be supported.

Puberty blockers are not "socialisation". They are a medical treatment with long-term damaging effects.

Nobody should be sterilising children.

Even if the children say that's what they think they want. Remember we aren't talking about 17 year olds. We are talking about pre-pubescent children for blockers. So 11 & 12 year olds. Nope. No sterilisation for them.

Oops, we don't cause sterility twice.

Should have said am only talking about trans women (natal males)

I am just trying to centre women and girls. If I knew what that actually meant would I laugh or cry?

Because of all the reports of harm Lupron and other puberty blockers have caused to adults who used them on label and not off as puberty blockers it is my expectation that the Lupron treated children will be this generations thalidomide children.

How is only discussing males, centring women and girls?

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Ooh Cross posted.

So you aren't talking about women and girls at all then!

But thanks for the parenthetical explanation, we women (natal) are so very stupid. It's our fluffy pink brains, you know!

Thanks for replies am probably not making myself clear.

So, imagine a world where you didn’t care about men and boys. Wouldn’t you want boys identifying as women to transition early in such a world?

Or we could address the socialisation that is harming everyone, particularly women and girls and maybe not sterilize the children.

I’m a natal woman and not stupid so I can correct you there....

80% of trans identifying children no longer identify as trans after puberty.

Are you suggesting that feminists want all boy children turned into girl children to keep women and girls safe?

What if the boy who says he feels more like a girl than a boy turns out to be a gay man? What if you've ruined his body with medical treatments?

I wish we could go back to that bit of the seventies and eighties where boys could wear makeup and flouncy blouses and people just raised eyebrows. No drugging or labelling for life.

So, imagine a world where you didn’t care about men and boys. Wouldn’t you want boys identifying as women to transition early in such a world?

Are you trying to rustle up some ideologies for a response to Margaret Atwood? The Footmasters Story? The HandMales Tail?

What is your definition of "transition"?

I’m a natal woman and not stupid so I can correct you there.... But you don't do sarcasm, irony... taking the piss!

'socialisation' was only ever a piece of the jigsaw.

male and female are utterly, utterly biologically distinct.

There will never be a 'logical' justification for artificially creating a superficial and ineffective facsimile of the opposite sex by surgically mutilating a healthy child and damaging them irrevocably in the process, for the duration of their life.

And for no better reason than the adults around those children are too fucking lazy to think about challenging their own stupid culture and society.

No-one can identify AS or WITH any concept at all, EVER, without first having an idea of that concept in their mind.
And that idea will have been formed from the external world around.

And if we LISTENED to those children when they said "I am a girl/boy" and ASKED them to articulate what their idea of girl/boy is - BEFORE they learned to dodge the question like every trans adult does - you'd get their innocent and utterly messed up ideas completely brimming with rotten stereotypes, from our utterly messed up world.

When kids tell you their messed up ideas about girl and boys, men and women - you fight with all your might to make sure you aren't bedding those ideas in firmly to the next generation. You correct the mistakes and you don't 'affirm' them. For their own sakes and for everybody's.

Agree with RabbitsAreTasty.
No-one is born in the wrong body, society needs less gender stereotyping so if you're a feminine boy who likes make up that's fine. No-one has to pretend you are "really" a girl and drug you, the same for unfeminine girls. You can be a girl and still have the career and hobbies you want.