If you only thought about the good of women and girls...

[speakingwoman]

Would it be more logical to encourage so-called trans identifying children to be socialised in their adopted gender, allowed puberty blockers, etc?

So that young trans women had female socialisation.

After all we have grave concerns about trans women
wh were raised with Male socialisation.

Just a thought.

Medical transitioning sterilises children. That is anti feminist.
If feminists had any real power the first thing we'd do is abolish the gender hierarchy, not reinforce it.
What makes you think feminist women can affect socialisation at all? If we could do that we could stamp out VAWG in a couple of generations.

@damnthatonestakentryanother2 But the main reason the antitrans cult wl oppose it is because the "socialisation" issue is one of the main planks of their propaganda campaign. If you allow transgirls to mix with their cis-girl friends, it will undermine their propaganda ... and they don't want that!

Nice smear attempt there.

1. Socialisation starts at birth, with parents treating babies differently based on sex from the day the baby is born. So to socialise a boy as a girl, you'd have to declare that boy to be trans at birth.

2. Even if you declare that boy as a trans girl from birth, people will still automatically treat that boy as a boy. That boy will be read as male and treated as such, undermining the attempt to socialise the boy as female and mixing in male socialisation. So that boy will be socialised male to some extent.

3. The boy's female peers may well be happy to play with him and share their dolls and fairy costumes but they will still read him as male, subconsciously if not consciously, and will defer to him because of that, compromising his female socialisation.

"Get tits early and suck dick" is the advice of trans activists. They all want to catch them young. It's dodgy as hell.

Quote is Shon Faye? (Not sure that's right because there's a Jane Faye isn't there).

And besides there's absolutely zero evidence that trans children are socialised as the opposite sex. Socialisation starts as a baby then if you transition, after that you are socialised as someone who is trans not eg a girl. It's totally different. Jazz Jennings is not experiencing female socialisation he's being treated as a trans girl so very differently.

How about we just stop socialisaing everyone into restrictive stereotyped roles based on their reproductive sex.

^^This. Surely the aim, if we’re talking about centering women and girls, is to do away with differences in socialization between male and female children?

Thanks for the civility. I ran out of charge and couldn’t find the charger last night.
Was pretty nervous opening this to see reactions to the half formed thought.
Glad it only got a criminy.

Fwiw yes it was a sort of dystopian scenario.
I guess the short answer was “we don’t know and it doesn’t matter because it’s immoral to trans children”.
Thanks

Nope. Let kids be kids. let them know stereotypes are just that and regardless of what sex they are, they can wear what they like, play with and such too. No need for harmful drugs because a little boy likes wearing princess dresses or whatever.

I have learned lot reading here about this, about how my life has been one long ingrained ignoring of stereotypes, although I could never have articulated it that way. In hindsight I realise this was accidental as I was one girl with three brothers.

Although there was a lot of girls "must be good" nonsense rained on my head by the churchish attitudes, I rejected this as my life was the same as my brothers to me.

I did the female stuff I liked, such as making things, clothes and knitting. All of which in my family were essential crafts as we had no money for expensive shop bought things. This was the same as growing food and mending the car, essential when you are poor to be able to do stuff. I helped mend the car, why wouldn't I?

I was bought a pink coat as a small girl, I hated it, not because it was pink, it was just so bright and made me stand out. I wanted to be unnoticeable. Being one of four brothers made me unnoticeable in my mind. I never really noticed the difference until I hit the big wide world, and by then I was very male socialised so it bounced off me most of the time. Not always.

I apologise for oversharing here.... I really think I was lucky to have little negative female socialisation. It was the 60s and 70s though, free expression was very fashionable, normal men had long blow dried hair and flowery shirts!

Don't apologise for oversharing Picasso. I think your parents perhaps treated you the same did they? I have seen a family of 3 boys and a girl where everyone treated the girl very differently and assumed it was because the girl herself was very different.

My parents where classic laissez faire 60s and 70s parents, kids were left to be their selves.

Those were the days

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My parents treated me as the middle scruffy hairy boy of three, but bizarrely pinkified my sister and sent her to ballet and horseriding lessons.

To be fair, put me in a tutu even at 6 and I'd look like I was in drag.

That's hilarious Kitties

The tutu was only created to allow the audience to admire the dancers bottom and legs. I doubt very much this was artistic appreciation.

If I can be allowed to waffle on. At 19 I was posted to a military base after my basic training . My first mealtime I had to walk alone into a mess hall (dining room) which when I opened the door revealed rows and rows of tables with probably 500 men at least, all in identical uniforms. I was in a skirt and tights.

It was a physical shock. I still remember it. Most of the women, I realised later, didn't go in there to eat, they ate toast and cereal in the quarters. I was unable to do that as we were charged for food and accommodation and my upbringing would not let me waste that money. So I walked in that room and stared straight back at 500 men. With trousers on.

Wouldn’t you want boys identifying as women to transition early in such a world?

No. Nor the girls identifying as male. What about the children who find as adults that they didnt want to live as the opposite sex after all. I'm one of them. Yet you'd ruin their bodies rather than watching and waiting. Thank goodness my childhood was in a different time to now.

thanks for bringing me back to reality Noqont.

Or we could just work on socialising everyone not to rape? Or is that really stupid because men can't be expected to control themselves unless they are sterised?

Even if all the men iin the world stopped raping overnight, they still couldn't become women.

Interestingly there has been fantastically successful rape education in Kenya which has seen a 51% reduction in rape. So it is possible to teach boys not to be rapists. It's not some in built condition in men.

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