Transgender Trend Schools Resource Pack Equivalent for HR Departments

[IAmDavidLewis]

Is there an equivalent document to the Transgender Trend Schools Resource Pack that would be suitable to give to HR departments and friends & family? By that, I mean a fairly concise summary of the legal points, science and evidence presented in a clear and balanced format?

If there isn’t, should there be?

There definitely should be!

There's a good download here:

sexmatters.org.uk

SAGES also has good downloads:

sages.org.uk

Hi Fox. I have a brain. I've read extensively the packs and guidance produced by the various groups at the moment, as I like to ensure I'm promoting the most evidence-based, safe guidance that exists.

Based on my reading and research, I have found Transgender Trend pretty sound, based on science and evidence and safeguarding compared to other packs and training I've read.

Could you explain to me why it's 'vile hate'. I can't see any of what you describe in its guidance.

Well for a start it blames internet use and “social contagion” for “glamorising medical transition” and causing “rapid-onset gender dysphoria” in children with no evidence at all. It also actively encourages schools to take steps that risk them falling foul of their legal duties and duty of care to pupils. So there's that I guess. Not sure what more to add based on that.

So what do you think is behind the explosion in girls identifying as trans in the last few years owl?

science and evidence? Any one with a brain knows that Transgender Tread is the opposite of these, it's just a way of getting vile hate into schools. Any workplace with a good HR dept will laugh it out if something like that turned up

Interesting. I would describe organisations such as mermaids as the above. I do despair of the lack of critical thinking of many, probably young people, these days. It will eventually be to your detriment without a doubt.

Fox This is a good article about what is happening with teenagers:
Outbreak: On Transgender Teens and Psychic Epidemics
It explains all those phrases that you've put in quotes. If you read it you might understand better what's actually happening.

It also actively encourages schools to take steps that risk them falling foul of their legal duties and duty of care to pupils.
I think you'll find that this is what Mermaids and others are doing.

HR departments are shit scared of breaking the law or getting sued by TRAs. They don’t understand the law. Most people in general don’t understand the law around this. HR teams want reliable information, but many have been lobbied and told as fact that he government has said that a new law to allow self ID ‘is coming in’ ie definitely happening, so they should fall in line with it now. Particularly in the NHS and public sector.

I have had to share ordinary women’s toilets at work (which are not adapted in any way for privacy) with Male bodied people who identify themselves as women.

The HR department worked on self ID as far as I know. Gender recognition Certs never mentioned, never any mention of anything, just Male bodied people in the toilets.

Women colleagues too scared to talk to each other about it or to talk to HR a for fear of being labelled transphobic.

It’s a very unpleasant experience being silenced in that way. That was one of the things that made me realise that there is a toxic culture of silence being imposed on women by TRA dogma which is very scary when you’re at the receiving end of it.

HR departments are also supposed to be there to support me and all the other women at work. I also think they and the bosses should read threads like these before letting men use unadapted women’s toilets without a GRC:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3203454-What-do-you-use-the-womens-toilets-for

Women’s toilets as spaces for women are used in all kinds of important ways that are made impossible when men are allowed to enter them on their say-so.

Women have accepted transsexual people who are not bothering anyone into their toilets for years but self ID is a whole other ball game.

It also actively encourages schools to take steps that risk them falling foul of their legal duties and duty of care to pupils.

Interesting take. I've read the LGBT guidance produced for Scottish schools by trans groups & it's surprisingly light there's fuck all about duty of care for all pupils especially female pupils. Only trans pupils apparently have the right to privacy & dignity if they want that - girls? Nope. They're not allowed to have boundaries, exercise their right to privacy or dignity if a boy decides he's a girl & wants to use loos/change with girls.

It also actively encourages schools to take steps that risk them falling foul of their legal duties and duty of care to pupils.

Can you expand in this rather than dropping it into the thread with no evidence that you aren’t just making it up?

I work in family support in a school and I’m very impressed with how balanced the TGT resource is.

If there isn’t, there should be!

There is EHRC guidance apparently coming in this area, might be worth seeing what that says. but in any case EHRC won’t be producing that as a simple legal guide for the use of HR teams who have male people on the staff who are wanting to use the female toilets...I haven’t seen anything like that and it would be really useful to have.

Also i note that the EHRC Chair is a former chair of Stonewall (until 2012) not sure if that’s before or after Stonewall began embracing gender stereotyping like they do now:

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/who-we-are/our-commissioners-committees-and-governance/about-our-commissioners

The www.sexmatters.org.uk/sexmatters.pdf leaflet is really good, as is the SAGES material but it would also be great to reversion the info into a really short, two page thing specifically written for HR departments and specifically with links to further info. And ideally a case study of a workplace that is balancing competing staff rights well. If a few bodies could add their logos supporting it it would add endorsement which always helps.
(Perhaps some of the women in business type organisations for eg.)

PlectrumElectrum
Only trans pupils apparently have the right to privacy & dignity if they want that - girls? Nope.

This is from the EHRC Technical Guidance for Schools in Scotland and is quoted in the Transgender Trend Schools Pack:

Example: A school fails to provide appropriate changing facilities for a transsexual pupil and insists that the pupil uses the boys’ changing room even though she is now living as a girl. This could be indirect gender reassignment discrimination unless it can be objectively justified. A suitable alternative might be to allow the pupil to use private changing facilities, such as the staff changing room or another suitable space.

The official guidance is in favour of retaining the right to privacy and dignity for girls, but the LGBT organisations who are advising schools are not telling them that. These are the organisations which are encouraging schools "to take steps that risk them falling foul of their legal duties and duty of care to pupils." Not Transgender Trend.

@OldCrone Exactly. If anyone is giving questionable legal advice, it's not Transgender Trend.

The advice on things like binders and privacy around decisions are appalling.
No child should be told that their "secret is safe with a teacher", if that secret is causing harm to the child. If a child tells a teacher that they are using a binder or ordering puberty blockers from the internet but don't want their parents to know, the teacher cannot promise to keep it secret the same as they cannot promise to keep any other disclosure (I'm cutting, I'm ordering diet pills, I'm purging) secret.
In some circumstances then obviously the teacher does not tell the parent but tells another safeguarding authority.

If anyone is giving questionable legal advice, it's not Transgender Trend.

Quite. And the wholesale sidelining of safeguarding in all the trans lobby group guidance that I have seen will have consequences. The introduction of the word trans does not render everything we have learned about safeguarding null and void. Trans lobby group guidance is dangerous and reckless. There are ways to accommodate trans children and treat them with dignity and respect without exponentially increasing safeguarding risks. As the Transgender Trend pack illustrates.

The http://www.sexmatters.org.uk/sexmatters.pdff^^ leaflet is really good, as is the SAGES material but it would also be great to reversion the info into a really short, two page thing specifically written for HR departments and specifically with links to further info. And ideally a case study of a workplace that is balancing competing staff rights well. If a few bodies could add their logos supporting it it would add endorsement which always helps.^
(Perhaps some of the women in business type organisations for eg.)

Yes to that. Sounds perfect. I think some ideas on how to achieve a balance would be really useful.

No child should be told that their "secret is safe with a teacher".

Safeguarding 101. How in holy hell are these trans lobby groups getting away with going into schools and recommending confidential disclosure? This is indefensible.

It is. And it needs to be called out.

Fox This is a good article about what is happening with teenagers:
<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00332925.2017.1350804" target="_blank">Outbreak: On Transgender Teens and Psychic Epidemicss^
It explains all those phrases that you've put in quotes. If you read it you might understand better what's actually happening.

And second this brilliant article and the other work of the author.

@LangCleg that's what GG say too, that girls should be able to tell a leader that they are trans and it should remain confidential.

And they were also guided by trans orgs.

that's what GG say too, that girls should be able to tell a leader that they are trans and it should remain confidential

I know. It's absolutely fucking outrageous. Confidential disclosures lead to abuse scandals. That's why we have safeguarding frameworks that ban them. Bring in the word trans and it all goes out the window.

We need a mainstream media piece laying out why safeguarding is important, what the guidelines are and exposing how organisations are being pressured to ignore them because of ideological pressure from trans groups.