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You need to read this article about the Leeds red light district.

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DJLippy · 26/05/2018 18:36

I read this blog about the Leeds red light district from someone who lives there. It's so illuminating. This needs a wider audience - please share on social media. This is what decriminalisation looks like.

littlegirlblue.blog/2018/05/25/living-in-the-red-light-district/

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Offred · 30/05/2018 10:52

Ah that’s good news!

Offred · 30/05/2018 10:54

@Celinedayjardnz have you seen this?

TerfAndSerf · 30/05/2018 12:20

This was shared by one of the Facebook pages I follow.

I can't remember who shared it, but it's scary stuff.

I apologise in advance if it's too small to read.

You need to read this article about the Leeds red light district.
bd67th · 30/05/2018 13:15

@buttonmoon4tea We shouldn’t have put ourselves in that position but naivety and being young sometimes contributes to poor choices.

No, the men should not have prepositioned you. Blame the perp, don't fall into the trap of the first rule of misogyny.

Women can't leave our vaginas at home and so the expectation that we will act to protect ourselves safe from rape is predicated on us restricting where we go and whether we go alone. This restricts our participation in life outside of the home and forces us to spend money on transport that men don't, e.g. the PP who spent most of a night's wages on a taxi because she didn't feel safe walking for a bus.

The comedian Wanda Sykes did a hilarious routine exploring how women's lives would be better if we could take our vaginas off, which illustrates my points nicely.

Celinedayjardnz · 30/05/2018 13:43

Hello my sisters! I have just seen that Mumsnet posted my blog on twiter! Thank you all for supporting us and trying to get our story out there! We have been feeling that no one cares what happens to us but I see that you do care and it means a lot. Thank you for reading it, and for understanding, and for circulating.

We would never vote Tory because of how they are hurting us. But I agree that labour need to lose their seat here because of what they have allowed to happen. They should have been fighting for us. They should be out on the streets crying and screaming to everyone they know about what is happening to us. They have powerful friends, and we do not (though we have the mumsnetters, and you are a powerful crowd! You have shared so many ideas for action, & that is power too). I hope the independent candidate will unseat Hilary. We deserve better.

Solidarity ✊🏻

TerfAndSerf · 30/05/2018 13:48

Hi @Celinedayjardnz, who is the independent candidate?

Shameless name checks and plugs for websites are always welcome. Wink

DJLippy · 30/05/2018 14:43

I just posted to a link to the blog to the Women's Equality Party. Do you think they'd be interested?

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spontaneousgiventime · 30/05/2018 14:49

I watched the series on BBC iplayer. All I can say is, so many times I just wanted to scoop those women up and make them safe. Bea who was seen as a sort of mum of the girls made me cry, she had such a hard life yet really did care.

DJLippy · 30/05/2018 15:47

Sophie Walker from the Women's Equality Party just re-posted article! Whoop whoop!

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Ereshkigal · 30/05/2018 18:15

Great. She's bound to get some shit for that.

LangCleg · 30/05/2018 18:33

Congratulations, Celine. Your blog deserves to go viral. And I really hope it comes to the notice of the people in authority who can do something about it.

mummyyessy · 30/05/2018 19:02

Yay!!!!! That's made my day!!!!!

Well done @DJLippy & @Celinedayjardnz!!!

Grt progress.

Still think it could go mainstream media! Still gonna bump for that! ;)

Ereshkigal · 30/05/2018 19:08

^Hi everyone,
Indeed, yes, it's a terrific piece of writing. We have contacted the blog team and they have snapped it up. Expect to see it online asap (if that's okay with Celine?)^

Had missed this! How brilliant. Well done MNHQ.

Maybe this will persuade a MSM source to pick it up?

HelenaDove · 30/05/2018 22:34

Good that means it can be RE tweeted

by me and then all the other housing campaigners in my corner of Twitter

mummyyessy · 30/05/2018 22:43

I've created anew post in Chat to try & help push this further...sorry, but shit at linking to other threads...

AuntyElle · 30/05/2018 23:02

I’ve never trusted Hilary Benn. How appalling that he hasn’t worked with women in his constituency to address this effectively.

Celinedayjardnz · 31/05/2018 00:16

Sophie walker DID retweet it, and she did get a lot of shit for it. I’ve just been blocking everyone. Debating fools on twitter is a waste of time.

The independent candidate standing in holbeck is called Laura Walton. Her Facebook page is here www.facebook.com/LauraWaltonHolbeck/

AuntyElle · 31/05/2018 09:59

This is a total reality check. Very eye-opening. Thank you. Have shared it on SM.

LangCleg · 31/05/2018 10:21

Debating fools on twitter is a waste of time.

Amen to that.

Offred · 31/05/2018 10:42

Re the twitter responses, the main thrust seems to be name calling but where the position is explained it seems to be ‘but women and girls do this because they are suffering financial hardship, you want to take food from their mouths!’

This is one of the main problems re liberal feminism IMO (taking out the POMO ID politik it is doing). If you accept that the way to achieve equality is by working with the system then it automatically follows in many cases that inequality is seen as ‘just the way things are’.

How can anything change if it involves fighting to keep the sex industry because without it many women would starve?

Ereshkigal · 31/05/2018 10:46

How can anything change if it involves fighting to keep the sex industry because without it many women would starve?

This. And it is the one thing that has ever given me pause for thought. But it has to change.

Marmite27 · 31/05/2018 10:47

saveoureyes.co.uk/

The type of crap people that live near by deal with on a daily basis Angry

That this was ever allowed is a disgrace. Illegal in the UK? - not in Leeds Sad

slowlywiltingpetal · 31/05/2018 11:11

I've got to say I'm so glad that there's only a minority of Neanderthals who go on with the 'but it's the worlds oldest profession' and 'what if they just like sex.

I can't remember which link it was but (TMI) amongst the needles and drug paraphernalia there was wet wipes with blood on. That's a woman who is on her period and cleaned herself up before or after sex. How many of the clients are using protection?

Firstly I think prostitution is a lot different from say being an Escort where you make say hundreds of pounds, get wined and dined and taken back to a nice hotel. These are women that are having sex anywhere they can.

The fact the women look ill denotes possibly addiction and or vulnerability through mental health issues. Think about it, how many women honestly want a quick 10 minutes with say 10 blokes a night.

In both blogs it refers to the fact that it's men from middle class areas scouting for sex. People in the middle class areas don't want it on their doorsteps, why should the people of Holbeck? It wasn't the residents who said oh yes that's fine have a 'regulated' zone, which isn't actually regulated. It's just left as a no go area.

It's not the same as say places where it's licensed and the women are checked to see they're doing it out of choice, they're checked for STD's.

I thought about it last night when I was reading about it. You don't have the money to feed your family, you don't have the money to even pay rent. If you know that you can earn so much by being a prostitute, realistically how many people can say if they had no other option they wouldn't consider Escorting or prostitution.

Imagine being one of these poor women, likely under the control of a man, having to give into other men's desires, as it's the only way they can exist. The reference that got me was the Les Mis comparison. If you haven't watched it just watch till the poor woman dies.

Or listen to I dreamed a dream, or watch the I dreamed a dream scene, telling the guy he doesn't even have to take his boots off, drinking some sort of cocktail to numb it all.

How degraded do these women feel? How scared must they feel that if they don't get enough clients they're in for a beating. Another song Arctic Monkeys - When the Sun Goes Down.

They can't pursue love lives, or I highly doubt it. They need saving, they need treating. They need to be shown love, care and affection. Not by a Knight in Shining armour, but charities that work with such women.

Imagine living in an area where your kids can't play out due to dirty condoms, syringes, other paraphernalia littering the streets. Imagine the fear of parents with girls, that their child could mix with the wrong crowd ending up one of the girls working in this zone. Likely given a hit of drugs, then addicted. That's not what any parent dreams of as they cradle their child in their arms.

You don't look at that scan picture & fast forward 20 years to your daughter addicted to drugs and selling her body for cash.

Maybe that would be an emotive poster campaign, a scan picture, it's a girl, in 20 years she'll be in the regulated zone, providing services for middle class men who come into the area. She could have been anything, fell in the wrong crowd, now she's a prostitute.

Or a scan picture with 'it's a girl' balloons either side. Her parents had many dreams, now they have nightmares.

Offred · 31/05/2018 11:27

I hate the whole ‘talk to sex workers’ thing. We don’t need to base everything on what certain people with lived experience say. This stuff needs to be more objectively considered by considering material reality which involves listening to sex workers yes but all of them not just a select group with more relative power and it involves analysing their material realities and considering the context not just doing what is being demanded.

Lib fems do not accept that the cost of their ideology is the sex workers in Holbeck. Holbeck where the most vulnerable sex workers are being experimented on in a place where the most vulnerable people live.

Why don’t people think about why Holbeck sex workers and why Holbeck as a community?!

And the whole thing has been pounced on by full decriminalisation lobbyers.... if it was that great why does the narrative about it need controlling by people invested in a certain outcome?

Ereshkigal · 31/05/2018 11:31

I hate the whole ‘talk to sex workers’ thing. We don’t need to base everything on what certain people with lived experience say. This stuff needs to be more objectively considered by considering material reality which involves listening to sex workers yes but all of them not just a select group with more relative power and it involves analysing their material realities and considering the context not just doing what is being demanded.

I agree with this. They only mean talk to one type of "sex worker". It's just a thought terminating cliche.