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Magdalen Berns

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wowdidnthaveaclue · 26/05/2018 13:54

I have to be honest I don't think to my knowledge IRL I've ever met a transperson

I see the discussions but never has affected me enough to need to give, consider or argue my point of view IRL... until today

This woman is brilliant!

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PlectrumElectrum · 26/05/2018 14:11

She is. Her videos helped me better understand the whole point of why trans activism is inherently anti-women.

RabidHarpy · 26/05/2018 14:17

I like on the FWR board and have been totally confused, angry and upset but also enraged because I didn't feel i understood. I saw Magdelyn recommended and I think she is brilliant.

I keep rewatching and learning more.

She is brilliant.

R0wantrees · 26/05/2018 14:23

link to Magdalen Berns' YouTube:
www.youtube.com/channel/UCvTTakI97sQ4SkMnsH8r0qQ/featured

Twitter:
twitter.com/MagdalenBerns

AppleBlossomTimeNow · 26/05/2018 14:28

I adore her. Her deadpan delivery and her incisiveness are just great. She's on Twitter too.

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wowdidnthaveaclue · 26/05/2018 15:35

I looked her up on twitter and couldn't see her. What's the username?

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Terfulike · 26/05/2018 15:40

Magdalen@MagdalenBerns

SarahAr · 26/05/2018 16:03

The OP has never knowingly met a transperson. Her lived experience is that transpeople (and hence trans rights) are not problematic.

Yet, she sees one radical feminist on the internet - and suddenly she has a point of view. And it is not going to be transpeople/trans rights are not a problem.

SuburbanRhonda · 26/05/2018 16:08

Her lived experience is that transpeople (and hence trans rights) are not problematic.

Where did the OP say that?

grandplans · 26/05/2018 16:10

But it's not any old person talking about women's rights and trans issues, SarahAr, it's a particularly insightful and intelligent critique from a woman who if very familiar with the issues.

Besides, this is a woman's rights issue - about how trans ideology impacts women's rights. I would image the OP has met one or two women in her life, wouldn't you?

Your post shows - yet again - a failure to understand that radical feminists are not anti-trans people. We are concerned about the modern ideology of trans rights activism, and the changes in society and law that are happening in response to it and what they mean for women's rights.

It makes no difference whether you've met a trans person. If you're a woman, this will affect your rights.

Should only women who've had an abortion be able to vote in Ireland yesterday? No, it was an issue that affected every woman, potentially. Same here.

ChickenMe · 26/05/2018 16:10

I love her and WPUK. I have their you tube videos on in the background whilst doing chores. I find it really soothing to listen to women speaking about these issues. You can get quite cross commenting on social media. Sometimes i have been a lone voice-you get "likes" but no one else actually backs you up. When I listen to Berns et al I feel better Grin. I think she's really funny

R0wantrees · 26/05/2018 16:16

Peach Yoghurt also has a number of YouTube videos.

www.youtube.com/user/Perzikyoghurt
(description)
"This channel is about gender. I'm a gender abolitionist, I don't believe in gender. Gender is harmful system made up by people. We need to smash it, not encourage it.
This channel contains serious and satire video's."

Twitter link twitter.com/Peachyoghurt_YT

LangCleg · 26/05/2018 16:33

Yet, she sees one radical feminist on the internet - and suddenly she has a point of view.

LOL!

A clever, articulate, incisive woman on the internet made a persuasive case to Another Woman on the internet. Ergo, Another Woman must have been a transphobe wicked witch all along. It's the only sensible conclusion, obviously.

AnyFucker · 26/05/2018 16:35

She is fantastic

Baroquehavoc · 26/05/2018 16:45

Her videos are very good and clearly state the issues.

Women talk about women's rights is always going to upset TRA, there is nothing we can do about that.

TERFragetteCity · 26/05/2018 16:46

Yet, she sees one radical feminist on the internet - and suddenly she has a point of view. And it is not going to be transpeople/trans rights are not a problem

Lol. That is generally what happens when you listen to what other people have to say. You might want to try it one day. Some people even read books on subjects to see what other people are saying!

Terfulike · 26/05/2018 17:43

I'd like to say that, even for people who have never even heard the word transgender, listening to eg MB could indeed inform them about their own oppression.

For example, said woman notices TopShop policy on mixed changing rooms. She has a daughter. She wonders about it: I wonder how come there is a 55-y-old man Perking next to my daughter in the TopShop changing room yesterday. The modern world is so strange, she thinks to herself, I simply don't understand it.

Then there is the toilets-at-school situation. Her daughter keeps coming home from school when she has a period, and jumping straight in the shower, leaving mum with challenging washing issues. Hey, daughter, but, I know it's hard, but try and remember to change at school.

Then mum comes across MB.All becomes clear!

WhereYouLeftIt · 26/05/2018 18:35

SarahAr "The OP has never knowingly met a transperson. Her lived experience is that transpeople (and hence trans rights) are not problematic."

Actually what she said was that "I see the discussions but never has affected me enough to need to give, consider or argue my point of view IRL". Really not sure how you translated that into what you said.

Let's switch it to an entirely different topic.

I have to be honest I don't think to my knowledge IRL my discarded plastic has found its way to the ocean. I see the discussions but never has affected me enough to need to give, consider or argue my point of view IRL... until I listened to David Attenborough on Blue Planet II.

Would anyone have a problem with that? Someone who knows their subject and is a great communicator has made me think more deeply about that subject.

That's it. Hasn't necessarily changed her mind, just now maybe feels that she can 'give, consider or argue my point of view IRL'.

NoseringGirl · 26/05/2018 18:55

I could listen to MB all day. She's incredibly intelligent and engaging. She has a fantastic way of explaining things so they make sense to someone like me who is new to the subject and looking for more information.

SunsetBeetch · 26/05/2018 19:06

All this, plus she's proper funny too.

2rebecca · 26/05/2018 21:16

I've only met 3 trans folk but I did feel gender dystopia was an appropriate term for them as it had a lot in common with body dysmorhia with what I felt was an excessive aversion to their biological sex and unrealistic expectations of how perfect life would be if they were the opposite sex.

There seemed to be very little focus on what they actually can't achieve in their biological sex that they could in the other sex and lots of sexual stereotyping

2rebecca · 26/05/2018 21:17

Dysmorphia. Autocorrect doesn't like the term, I wonder why not??

smithsinarazz · 26/05/2018 21:42

@LangCleg haha :)

nauticant · 26/05/2018 21:54

The OP has never knowingly met a transperson.

I have never met a neo-Nazi. Until I do, I am forbidden from having any view whatsoever. I've never met a Paralympian either. I am literally unable to have a view about them until one walks into my house or my workplace.

It's like the opposite of rational debate.

SeahorsesAREhorses · 26/05/2018 22:06

the loss of women's sex based rights and protections is hugely problematic for women Sarah.

pombear · 26/05/2018 22:22

I've never knowingly met a Nazi in real life. Therefore I must have no opinions till I do.

I've never knowingly met a climate-denier in real life. Therefore I must have no opinions till I do.

I have never knowingly met a paedophile in real life. Therefore I must have no opinions till I do.

I've never knowingly met a Trump-supporter in real life (I know, right, how lucky am I!). Therefore I must have no opinions till I do.

I've never knowingly met a flat-eather in real life. Therefore I must have no opinions till I do.

I've never knowingly met a trans-person in real life. (Well, actually I have, quite a few, but my experience is probably invalid, cos, well, I'm not trans myself, so therefore have no idea). Therefore not sure when I'm able to have opinions myself.

Women - Never. Have. An. Opinion. It's dangerous. Stop reading stuff.

(PS Magdalen - she's awesome, and much braver than I am)