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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Permanent Ban from Twitter for 'Hate Speech'

39 replies

TheUterati · 24/05/2018 17:59

I am sure that many of you know my reservations, shall we put it, about including 'trans' of any shade in this debate.

Nevertheless, I feel it worthwhile posting this by Yardley, who has been permanently banned from Twitter. I post this not because I particularly value Y's voice in this debate, but because the reasons why he has been permanently banned need to be made public.

mirandayardley.com/en/i-permanently-banned-twitter-make-worry/

Double-plus-ungood.

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Crocodilesoup · 24/05/2018 19:02

I thought twitter was full of people posting about wanting terfs to die in a fire, or threatening the likes of Mary Beard with rape - do those people all get banned?

TheUterati · 24/05/2018 19:11

@Crocodile.
No. No, they do not.

Neither do they get banned on FB for similar.

Funny that. Bleeding hilarious, in fact.

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spontaneousgiventime · 24/05/2018 19:16

I noticed Venice Allen has also been banned. Twitter is closing down women speaking all over the place.

Offred · 24/05/2018 19:37

FFS....

OrchidInTheSun · 24/05/2018 19:41

It is like sewing mouths shut

terryleather · 24/05/2018 19:51

MY is one of the very very few TIM I have any time for and they have been dealing with TRA shit for years and years, don't know how they've got the energy tbh.

This permanent ban is completely ridiculous and unjustified but more than that it's fucking terrifying in its free speech implications.

I'm mired in gloom with regards to where this will all end up...

GardenGeek · 24/05/2018 19:56

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Writersblock2 · 24/05/2018 20:29

I hope Miranda touches on this when he speaks at the WPUK Cornwall event. What an absolute bullshit thing for Twitter to do.

LaSqrrl · 24/05/2018 21:30

Both Twitter and Facebook, becoming very hostile to women (or allies) who speak out. A disproportionate number of TIMs can be found in IT, which can be described as an abuse of power, tbh.

Heavy-handed silencing techniques is all they have though. Their defence of 'gender' does not stand up to scrutiny, so they have to shut us up. Even with this 'process' in place, more and more women are finding out about this, and joining GC, even if they have no broader interest in feminist issues (although pleased to say, once exposed to those ideas, many also stay for the feminism part as well). So the unintended consequence has been an upsurge of interest in feminism.

OlennasWimple · 24/05/2018 23:31

Oh FFS. Hang in there @MirandaYardley, Twitter are being knobheads Angry

Ereshkigal · 24/05/2018 23:36

MY is one of the very very few TIM I have any time for and they have been dealing with TRA shit for years and years, don't know how they've got the energy tbh.

Me too.

PleaseDontGoadTheToad · 24/05/2018 23:42

Why don't you value Miranda Yardley's voice in the debate OP? If you don't mind me asking of course.

Terfulike · 24/05/2018 23:45

This is such a travesty. Miranda is such a fantastic intelligent and thoughtful person. But yes, it's what it says about free speech which is truly terrifying. Doubly terrifying is the fact that it's only a particular area of free speech which is being curtailed.

HenbaneRiver · 25/05/2018 03:13

It is like sewing mouths shut

Grin Come the fuck on.

doctorcuntybollocks · 25/05/2018 07:32

I have a lot of respect for Miranda.

Cwenthryth · 25/05/2018 07:45

FFS. Thing is, Twitter isn’t a democracy is it. They don’t actually have a duty to uphold free speech. Do they?

Venice Allen and Mayday4Women are also missing at the moment.

NotTerfNorCis · 25/05/2018 08:08

I respect the work Miranda has done, but setting up on Gab seems a questionable move.

LangCleg · 25/05/2018 08:16

Miranda Yardley has the courage and integrity to interrogate themselves, something remarkably lacking in any transactivist I have come across. I have huge respect for Miranda and think the ban is draconian and chilling.

As are the bans of other women, due to targeted manipulation of Twitter's reporting algorithms openly discussed by transactivists on the platform. Twitter is perfectly well aware of what is happening and is now an open supporter of violent misogyny, insofar as I can see.

LangCleg · 25/05/2018 08:20

I respect the work Miranda has done, but setting up on Gab seems a questionable move.

The thing is, Gab (and Mewe) won't be majority right wing any more if all the left libertarians leave Twitter and Facebook, will they?

TerfsUp · 25/05/2018 08:30

I am sorry to hear the news. @MirandaYardley, if you are reading this you have my support and my sympathy.

JoanSummers · 25/05/2018 09:09

Trans identified males are very overrepresented in IT.

Social media is like Second Life, someone trying to seem like what they are not can cosplay 100% of the time, and even sockpuppet different characters to give themselves fake friends and even fake enemies. For men looking for women or children to groom and/or abuse, SM has given them access to victimise like never before, and the ability to cultivate a community of abusers to help them and manipulate the situation. And social media is a manipulators dream - tone policing and false 'facts' and claims of being denied existence etc are much harder to convInce people with in real life face to face communication.

The thing is the trans activists might know how to manipulate people and a story online but most people don't live online. Even among those who use social media a lot, most are still aware that there is a difference between what we say and how we present ourselves on social media, and the actual reality.

Trans activists are taking advantage of politicians and companies naivety of how this all works to manipulate the situation, make themselves look like victims, make their victims look like oppressors, make themselves and their support look bigger and more important than they really are, present fiction as fact etc. This could never have happened if social media wasn't being lauded as the voice of the people and more important than investigative journalism, quality research by qualified people, and real life facts.

But the TAs can't actually control real life, so I think one of the most useful things we can all so is talk about this all offline, face to face, make as many people aware as possible. Most people do not know this is happening and a single element of trans ideology and practice is often enough to horrify them - whether that is sterilising kids, pretending that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, putting men who have committed sex offences in women's prisons, banning people (usually women) from speaking if they don't agree that males can be female, the issue of fetishes like sissification and autogynephilia, etc. In my experience most people out in offline space peak trans quickly over any single one of these.

Kyanite · 25/05/2018 09:15

If you report a TRA, all you get is Twitter saying that they breached the terms, their account stays.

When Owen Jones was so quick to spread the hate against women who were reporting an account for hating on Mumsnet users, he didn't bother to check the background, so much for being a journalist. Twitter did find that their tweets breached their terms, they just didn't shut them down!

LangCleg · 25/05/2018 09:15

Good post, Joan. I've found that mixed sex overnight accommodation on Guide trips (with the risk of teen pregnancy) is the example that most people get immediately and are sufficiently horrified by to want to find out more. They might agree that the idea of rapists in women's prisons is outrageous but, since it's unlikely to affect them, quickly move on. But a lot of people have daughters and nieces and and and.

Ereshkigal · 25/05/2018 09:20

Miranda Yardley has the courage and integrity to interrogate themselves, something remarkably lacking in any transactivist I have come across. I have huge respect for Miranda and think the ban is draconian and chilling.

YY my position exactly.

Ereshkigal · 25/05/2018 09:21

Social media is like Second Life, someone trying to seem like what they are not can cosplay 100% of the time, and even sockpuppet different characters to give themselves fake friends and even fake enemies.

I think many of these people aren't fully "out" in RL.