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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Permanent Ban from Twitter for 'Hate Speech'

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TheUterati · 24/05/2018 17:59

I am sure that many of you know my reservations, shall we put it, about including 'trans' of any shade in this debate.

Nevertheless, I feel it worthwhile posting this by Yardley, who has been permanently banned from Twitter. I post this not because I particularly value Y's voice in this debate, but because the reasons why he has been permanently banned need to be made public.

mirandayardley.com/en/i-permanently-banned-twitter-make-worry/

Double-plus-ungood.

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leyat · 25/05/2018 14:06

I think these kinds of issues are also a result of the Yogakaryta Principles being upheld as international best practice when they do not even mention sex as an axis of oppression and uphold an anti-feminist understanding of gender.

Any type of organisation or company can excuse anti-feminist approaches to gender and by extension to women, by referring to/depending on these.

It makes what is happening on Twitter and elsewhere easier to understand. Twitter, for eg, in its reporting, does not view misogyny as hate speech, but it views gender critical/anti bio essentialism as hate speech when it challenges trans dogma, and it can say this is in line with YP principles and indeed with hate speech laws.

I am pro free speech, so I actually want less hate speech laws, not more, and I don't think people have the right not to be offended. But while we have the YP unchallenged and unbalanced laws, companies like Twitter will be able to say they reflect the law and best practice in how they manage their platform. This is a huge problem. It's why we need women's groups specifically for the purpose of fighting for our sex based rights, cos where we are now is also a result of the fact that women's organisations have largely utterly failed us in relation to all of this....

OldmanOfTheWeb3 · 25/05/2018 14:10

Came here just to post this news, though guessed there'd already be a thread on it.

Miranda Yardley is a top person. Lots of respect.

Meanwhile, here's a selection of TRA posts that you can find on Twitter:

terfisaslur.com/

So in short: death threats and rape threats - everywhere. Saying a man is a man - permanent ban.

foxyliz26 · 25/05/2018 14:30

I would imagine MNHQ will be making a statement in due course
re GDPR 2016 shortly, in all the papers today

and suspect this may be behind these bans, please think before you post especially naming anyone ! or linking any abuse to either side

MN is a lifeline for many women , lets not create any problems that could see people being banned on here

TerfsUp · 25/05/2018 14:32

Miranda Yardley has the courage and integrity to interrogate themselves, something remarkably lacking in any transactivist I have come across. I have huge respect for Miranda and think the ban is draconian and chilling.

YY my position exactly.

Yes to both.

Coyoacan · 25/05/2018 14:49

Trans activists are taking advantage of politicians and companies naivety

Mmm!

What is behind this tremendous support for transgenderism that appeared out of nowhere in this decade is debatable, but somewhere there are politicians and companies organising and financing it.

leyat · 25/05/2018 15:13

What is behind this tremendous support for transgenderism that appeared out of nowhere in this decade is debatable, but somewhere there are politicians and companies organising and financing it.

...as I say I think it mostly goes back to the YP, written by a man, supported by a panel of mostly men, but chuck in 'human rights experts' and even though they totally ignore sex based rights and needs it gets the international stamp of approval.

The Council of Europe pass resolution 2048. While the UN hasn't adopted the YP in any conventions or declarations, both the UN and the WHO changed definitions on the basis of it and reference it as best practice. As a result we get govts treating it as best practice, indeed this is why both the YP and resolution 2048 are mentioned throughout the Scottish Govts GRA proposals.

Then all of a sudden the world is entertaining gender identity as the way to understand gender in society, & starts completely ignoring sex by conflating sex and gender, despite sex based rights and protections already existing in law, and treating any view to the contrary as hateful and anti-human rights.

R0wantrees · 25/05/2018 15:23

Michael Briggs (Sociology Dept Oxford) concluded in his recent article:
"I have entered this debate not because I am a feminist but because freedom of speech is one of the highest values of a democratic society, and the basic foundation of university life.
Transgender activism poses a grave threat to freedom of speech"
users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/FreeSpeechOxford.pdf

Whilst it seems the government and universities are now taking some action, I wonder when attention will open up to include social media.

Terfulike · 25/05/2018 15:46

Layat
I thought that Stephen Whittle was behind the YP principles or is that the "man" you mean?

If it's not SW then who is it?

MickHucknallspinkpancakes · 25/05/2018 17:31

It was definitely targeted harassment for organised mass blocking on Tuesday. I was suspended for one day. The strange thing is that the tweet reported was in support of some transwomen like Miranda labelled as TRUSCUM by their own community.

There's no way it was hate speech.
Very worrying.

Lots of people moving to MeWe too.

Coyoacan · 25/05/2018 19:01

Thanks Leyat, that is very interesting. I hadn't heard of them.

boatyardblues · 25/05/2018 19:30

Luddite Q here, but what is MeWe and is it as nosy as other SM platforms?

MickHucknallspinkpancakes · 25/05/2018 21:34

I can't really answer that @boatyardblues - I'm still trying to come to terms with the thing. Hopefully someone more experienced can come along and explain. Grin

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