Consultation on Self ID to progress

[Pratchet]

Whatever is motivating these female MPs to undermine women's rights, the battle to preserve our spaces is about to get very busy indeed.

A woman is an adult female human, of the sex that gestates and bears young. I am Spartacus. Women rise #wegotthis

The equality impact assessment for the Scottish consultation was total shit.

God I hadn't seen that. That really is shit to the point that IMO someone could sue if they wanted to.

My opinion is that self id is mainly irrelevant (save for prisons) because gender reassignment allows any man to “propose to transition” and currently they are automatically being treated as a woman. This is because sex protections are not being applied.

Sex protections should be the focus. If they are workable then we don’t need to worry about ramifications of GRC.

Scotland has done us a favour because it’s helped us to identify the issues in advance of the consultation.

Prisons are one of the few only that will be seriously affected by self Id This is because although sex exemptions can be applied to GRC holders, currently prisons are not doing this.

Here is where MPs are going to grasp the need to protect vulnerable women. We need to bang a drum for women in prison: we don’t fight against self id (that battle was lost in 2010 without us noticing) instead we fight for protections which work for our most vulnerable women and those protections will in turn be available to every woman.

We do their homework for them. The Equality impact assessments would show the vulnerability to abuse and the scope for damage to equality of opportunity for women.

Then we give them the solution which will involve reviewing and strengthening sex protections

God I hadn't seen that. That really is shit to the point that IMO someone could sue if they wanted to.

It's terrible isn't it? That's kind of what I was thinking a legal challenge would rest on if the same was done here.

I disagree that self ID is irrelevant. It will massively bump up the number of male people who are legally female, IMO. It will normalise men in women's spaces, and undermine the whole concept of biological sex, female oppression and sex based protections. It gets away from the idea that this is a serious medical condition for which special provisions need to be made as a last resort, and panders to the pomo queer theory of individual "gender identity" and suggests that is more important than sex.

I am well aware that the EA already permits self ID by the back door by failing to clearly define gender reassignment as a protected characteristic or to fully consider loss of privacy and dignity as an important factor with a deep impact on women. I am well aware that is the main issue here. But men in women's spaces has not yet been normalised. People still feel empowered to call it out. The EA's laxness with respect to sex protections is not widely understood. Look at the shock Man Friday caused. With self ID the wider knowledge that literally anyone can do that will make people feel unable to speak out. TRAs will make it very difficult for service providers to use sex protections. Which they already do, but with so many cross dressers etc able to easily get a bit of paper saying they legally share the same protected characteristic of female sex, it will not be seen as a male/female problem any more.

I feel like making some leaflets to leave in women's loos etc.
I've got a stinking cold and my 3 year old is jumping on me
Any ideas of the most "profitable" hashtags, twitter accounts or websites to quote (less is more I think) would be welcome

It's terrible isn't it? That's kind of what I was thinking a legal challenge would rest on if the same was done here.

Could be, but I think unfortunately those challenges are usually ultimately a bit pointless as I can't think of any instances where the Government lost and then changed their minds. They just say they are going to retake the decision, draw up a new equality statement and then surprise surprise they reach the same conclusion again.

Here is a link to "Sex Matters" that you can use to create your leaflet. drive.google.com/file/d/1bJRkyLJYuTx0zlHo-50SEemYhyT9ZvMn/view

Fair Play for Women is also a good resource.

feel like making some leaflets to leave in women's loos etc.

Good idea

Am depressed about this. It will just be like the Scottish consultation.
Victoria Atkins is quoted “The government recognises that conversations about transgender equality can elicit a wide range of views, and sometimes this strays into abuse and intimidation.

“This is unacceptable. As members across the House have said, it must stop.” in the Hoc debate.
Nicky Morgan has referred to 'transphobic rhetoric'. In other words anything said against self id is hate speech.

I'm pretty sure the consultation won't allow the impact on women and girl's to be central.
Could we ask for the risk assessment on impact on women to be published before the consultation?
I feel so pessimistic; a consultation without a real public debate will just rubber stamp the trans lobby's demands.

If anyone is interested, here is a case that women won in my Province. A man wanted to be a rape crisis counselor at a woman-only rape crisis centre in Canada. The women said 'no' and a 12 yr legal battle ensued.

Women won this major battle and here is the official judgement:
www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/sites/default/files/imce/BC%20Supreme%20Court%20Reasons%20for%20Judgement%20Nixon%20v%20rape%20relief.pdf

The women said 'no' and a 12 yr legal battle ensued.

This is the problem, even though women won this battle, TRA have demonstrated that they have the time, money and inclination to pursue this through the courts. How many women centred services can afford to fight cases like this?

It might be fun to sticker some of the rules of misogyny on the wrapper of the cookies people are giving out at the women's rights meetings.

Fortune cookies.

We can't be silenced any more.

Nobody: sometimes people win and sometimes lose. We won once, LG campaigners won once, BAME campaigners have had success. But in child health there is a parallel to this, where to voice opposition turns you into a social pariah. It's been incredibly successful, and that's the narrative that must be challenged, or the ability to tell the truth about this is lost forever. I don't think it's a phase. Yes there'll be lawsuits down the line. But the cultural and language shift will still be with us.

Stickers that we could put on the inside doors of public toilets, would be helpful. Ones that are easy to remove so it doesn't count as criminal damage. Leaflets could lead to littering.

I'm staggered I didn't know about all this sooner, I guess because I was moving in political circles rather than feminist ones.

Thanks for sharing our leaflet.
If you have any resources like downloadable, printable stickers you think would be affective and we can attach to our website, please pm me with any ideas

www.sexmatters.org.uk

Pratcett: yep, sorry. Some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you.
Onward and upwards!

Onwards together !!