Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS consultation responses on new Gender ID service - interesting!

15 replies

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/05/2018 08:01

t.co/N7l9EpyxDF Transgender Trend has been tweeting highlights. twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/996075231344316416

Some excellent responses from the British Psychological Society but also lots from concerned individuals saying strongly that gender awareness training shouldn't be delivered by lobby groups but by medically qualified people, amongst other things. I've just skimmed the tweets so far, but will read properly later.

OP posts:
VaggieMight · 15/05/2018 08:21

This reply has been withdrawn

This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at poster's request.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/05/2018 08:24

Alternative POV here:

twitter.com/NotRightRuth/status/995998540676648966?s=19

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/05/2018 08:53

Link to first tweet works for me but @Transgendertrd will get you to the account.

I'm sure that alternative POV is most interesting, @ItsAllGoingToBeFine, but I can't see it as that person has blocked me. If I'm blocked I expect the same goes for a lot of others, so that person is tweeting to an echo chamber. Not going to change many hearts and minds that way.

OP posts:
QueenOfQuacks · 15/05/2018 08:56

I'd like to read the alternative view but am also blocked.

Which is a real shame as I always try to read more than one viewpoint on things and find myself increasingly unable to do so due to people who can't bring themselves to do the same Hmm

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/05/2018 08:58

I can't see it as that person has blocked me

You need a stealth account Wink It's always interesting to see how people with opposing viewpoints represent the same piece of text. They focused on the responses from those identifying as trans, one interesting point they picked up on was the younger the person the more likely they were to think they should be able to access adult services at U18.

Do we know if the NHS has drawn any conclusions from this consultation?

user1495884620 · 15/05/2018 09:02

Can you just log out of twitter to view posts you are blocked on? I don't have a twitter account but can view the links. Can't respond to them, obviously.

Ereshkigal · 15/05/2018 09:03

Just access on a browser you're not logged in on.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/05/2018 09:12

OK, blocking does not prevent me reading the thread while logged out, so I've seen it now. I haven't yet read the full report but @RuthPearce says Survey respondents argued that the proposed limit of 8 hair removal sessions is inadequate. This is usually insufficent to achieve an appropriate, permanent response, and techniques differ enormously (e.g. electrolysis takes longer to achieve results than laser hair removal).

They also want NHS services to provide facial feminisation surgery, phonosurgery, body hair removal, breast augmentation, and hysterectomy and bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy .

The NHS is struggling to provide services that most people would agree are absolutely essential, so where's the money and staffing going to come from to provide these services? And also, why? Women with POCS don't get electrolysis on the NHS. Women who have completed their families and are desperate for sterilisation can't get it on the NHS. Women who have dreadful problems with endometriosis are not getting effective treatment.

I must say I find @RuthPearce's airy dismissal of the concerns of family and friends rather worrying. Who's there to pick up the pieces if a person transitions and is still unhappy, and especially if they then detransition? Proposed gender identity service specs allow for 17-year olds to be referred to adult services. Unsurprisingly, majority of service users and clinicians support this measure - opposition comes primarily from "family and friends" and "members of the public".

OP posts:
crispbuttyfan · 15/05/2018 10:13

Some excellent responses from the British Psychological Society but also lots from concerned individuals saying strongly that gender awareness training shouldn't be delivered by lobby groups but by medically qualified people, amongst other things. I've just skimmed the tweets so far, but will read properly later.

You do realise medically qualified people agree with trans groups on almost everything?
Agreement happens when based on actual evidence and experience rather than misinformation.

MsBeaujangles · 15/05/2018 10:21

Crispbutty As a qualified person working within the field, I disagree with you. There are lots of tensions experienced by practitioners and these have been spoken about openly.

We are evidence based services. Many trans groups are pushing for intervention that does not have a good enough evidence base.

Fortunately, the BPS and the GIDS clinic at the Tavi are run by people with good critical thinking skills and skills to recognise that emotion often clouds judgement.

Perhaps the acknowledgement fo the plight of people with GD alongside a genuine commitment to help gets misconstrued for agreeing with what some trans groups are lobbying for.

HerFemaleness · 15/05/2018 10:32

crispbuttyfan, what an astonishing comment. Medically qualified people agree with trans groups on almost everything. Have you surveyed them all on every trans related issue to know this?

sexnotgender · 15/05/2018 10:37

I started reading the ‘alternative’ view point but they immediately started talking about TERFs so I figured it probably wasn’t a balanced view.

Picassospaintbrush · 15/05/2018 10:56

twitter.com/joss_prior/status/996110570419048450

Yep, the terftector is onboard as usual.

Ereshkigal · 15/05/2018 18:17

Wonder if Joss has seen this thread?

New posts on this thread. Refresh page