is being attracted to the same sex innate?

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I don't think it is. I think we are all born and have both biological and environmental influences that make us who we are. I do not think that any baby is born gay (prisoners, gay for the stay) I don't think there is anything wrong with being attracted to people with the same sex as you, as long as it is consensual, and of a legal and mental age for capacity of understanding. Be happy. I'm just your average straight woman with children. I wonder how gay/lesbian people disagree with me, but claim that transgenderism is not innate. To clarify, are we born gay/lesbian? if not, why not? and if you believe that nonsense, why do you disbelieve transgenderism? (I'm very gender critical, non religious, and in full support of 'gay/lesbian' rights' I'm interested to know peoples thoughts

@Pythagonal I agree totally

I'd being gay isn't innate then why would being straight be innate?
By your logic OP none of us have any sexual preference innately, we're all just products of our environment and experiences

My personal view is that when it comes to sexual attraction, there is far too much focus on labeling and putting people into boxes. On paper I would be classed as a married heterosexual woman. Personally I have never felt attracted to another woman, but it could well happen and I would never rule it out because we can't help who we are attracted to, male or female

This is certainly not my experience.

I am very straight. I don't see many men I want to sleep with, but when I do I sure know about it. The reaction is physical. I have never felt that way about a woman.

I have no problem with being gay. I made a lot of trouble for myself in secondary school by refusing to say I wasn't gay, as it isn't a bad thing so why should I deny it? I think you can imagine how well that went down among teenagers in early 90's Essex.

I want to have sex with male bodes, I don't want to have sex with female bodies. Don't know why, I'm just made that way.

If being gay was learned, then why on earth are there still gay people in places where they might be killed because of it? Uganda, Iran etc.

I don’t know why you’re comparing being gay with being trans. They’re different.

gay and lesbian people cant enforce the 'biology' rule when there is no actual evidence of being same sex attracted from birth, then declare trans is ridiculous

gay and lesbian people can sleep with who they like and rule out who they like on a whim, as can anyone. I would never sleep with a man who wears chelsea boots. Sex is not an equal opportunity activity.

jesus.

Prisoners don't "turn" gay when they are in prison and then become straight again afterwards.

Some choose to have their sexual needs met by the people who are available to them. It doesn't mean they feel the same attraction as they experience to opposite sex partners

Some choose to have their sexual needs met by the people who are available to them. It doesn't mean they feel the same attraction as they experience to opposite sex partners

That suggests a certain flexibility of attraction (sexuality) though. There are many people who are so very firmly heterosexual or homosexual that they’d find a situational switch repellent.

Where does this argument lead anyway? Tests to find out if people really are gay or trans?

What do you do next? Test the entire population to ensure that everybody is in the correct gender group? Exclude people who have failed the test?

Ultimately it still isn’t relevant to the point that it is sometimes necessary to distinguish by sex because there are real, unavoidable consequences to being born with a male or female reproductive system regardless of identity.

I read a very compelling book some years ago which said they’ve isolated a “gay gene” that certainly seems to be true for male homosexuals, although not lesbians.

Where does this argument lead anyway? Tests to find out if people really are gay or trans?

It leads to less of the stigma that arises when gayness is seen as behavioural, or developmental damage (fetish).

I knew I liked girls before I knew about lesbians or bisexuals.

The thing about scientific facts is that they are true even before scientists discover what they are, and they remain true whether or not people believe in them. OP your posts are full of statements about what you believe, and labelling what others believe as nonsense. What you believe is going to have precisely zero influence on what scientists are able to establish given sufficient resources to research these questions.

I’m critically analysing gay and trans

No you’re not, you’re polemically presenting a biased position. A critical analysis would come to the conclusion that we don’t know what causes sexual attraction but that it’s likely to be a complex interaction of genes, epigenetic factors, and environmental/social factors. Trans is different as long as it’s understood as being about gender identity, since that is a social construct.

gay and lesbian people cant enforce the 'biology' rule when there is no actual evidence of being same sex attracted from birth, then declare trans is ridiculous

1). There is no gay & lesbian authority enforcing any rules.
2). Individuals are free to choose their sexual partners and sometimes they have sexual preferences.

What is wrong with that?

I knew I liked girls before I knew about lesbians or bisexuals.

Me too. I spent my childhood and especially my teenage years wondering why my female friends spent so much time chasing boys when girls were so much more interesting. Boys and men just didn’t register on my radar as people to interact with until I was in my late teens. I didn’t even consider I might be a lesbian until my early 20s.

op you sound like a complete homophobe. Yerk.

No, we're not going to pretend that gay people aren't gay just because you tell us to and you're annoyed that we're not buying the idea that people can change sex.

Hope that helps!

I wonder how many would be bisexual like a previous poster mentioned if it was seen as acceptable. I’ve never even kissed a woman so have no idea how i would find it, definitely not disgusted by the idea.

If sexuality was society and environment then rates of being eg gay would vary across time and location but I am not convinced that it does? In contrast sterotypes about "women" do vary

I think sexuality may well work on a spectrum, with some people completely straight and some comepletely gay at either end, and everyone else somewhere in the middle. I think it is probably a mixture of genetics and life experience but some people are absolutely born gay or straight. Gender, on the other hand, is a social construct.

IIRC, the extensive research by Kinsey showed that very few of us were 100% straight or gay.

Studies don't show a strong genetic effect, but it still doesn't make it a choice.
One of the strongest associations is being a second son, which suggests there may be intra-uterine factors.

I'm just your average straight woman with children.

Btw, said no average straight woman with children ever.

In other cultures (SE Asia for example) sexuality and gender are far more constrained so "feminine" males are given a seperate gender from quite young and tend to all be homosexual. Some undergo surgeries to fit in more as female but never actually claim to be women. The kathoey (eg) culture is celebrated and there's no stigma or anything but it's still putting a seperate label onto feminine men who like men and sort of "heterosexualising" them as it's very much accepted for a male presenting male to be attracts to kathoey but not so much another male presenting male. Curiously there's no interest in lesbians there is no seperate gender category for masculine women in SE Asia.

Indonesia is the most amazing place for their developed understanding of gender. They know there are two sexes but they have five genders that basically translate to cisgender non-binary and trans.

I'd say from looking at other cultures you see how gender is constructed by society and homosexuality is influenced by society but only in how it's made illegal or "heterosexualised" through gender, but is basically an innate personal sexuality that you can't be made to change.