Who wants to tell Labour Party?

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mexiconewsdaily.com/news/oaxaca-candidates-arent-transgender-after-all/

So how did they decide that these were not genuine transwomen? What are the disqualifying factors that reveal a fraud?

One million pounds to the person that can articulate the objective criteria that reveal the difference between a real transgender person and a fake one.

And go.

This couldn't happen here.

As stated already, if a man says he is a woman, then he is one - same as you, same as me, same as any other woman we might meet.

There can be no dishonesty or deception... It doesn't even matter whether he believes it himself or not, because no one is going to check. The LP's position on this is that if a man makes the declaration to them that "I am a woman", then he is one...

I was thinking this morning about all the times I've had to 'prove' myself to others when I've wanted to join something or be recognised as something.

When I joined the Brownies I had to attend meetings for 6 weeks to show my commitment to the organisation and to learn about what being a Brownie meant. I had to learn a motto and a promise and, after being officially presented by my Sixer perform these in front of an audience to ensure that I understood what it was I was commiting myself to.

When I gained my degree, as I had opted to understake a qualitative, rather than quantitative, analysis, for my final year project, the BPS required me to send (IIRC) a copy of my abstract, the conclusion and specified pages from my results section so that its scientific rigour could be verified before I was allowed to join.

I've had to complete a detailed job application form for every job I've applied for detailing my qualifications and the experience that indicates to me that I would be suitable for this role. If I fail to do that satisfactorially, I will be rejected.

I've never been able to self identify myself into an organisation/group of people/community just because I wanted to. My word alone has never been enough. I have to prove that I've considered its appropriateness for me; that I'm really committed to it; that I possess the necessary qualifications and meet the necessary requirements...

And yet these men who want to appropriate womanhood are being told they don't even have to do so much as jump over a toadstool!

Love how removal of all sex based protection, removing the right to privacy and the very identity of women for 52% is a 'small risk' worth it because of the immense gains to 0.whatever of the population.

What I really don't get is how Maria Miller totally missed all of this.

Saw this earlier on facebook, and was curious to know a bit more. Seems that Oaxaca is a sovereign state in southern Mexico, with a population of just under four million. But they manage to divvy that up into eight regions and 30 districts.

This other article by same source explains:

"There are 9,660 people are running for office in the state this year, with elections being held for 42 seats in the state Congress — for which there are 667 candidates — and for mayors and councilors in 153 municipalities. Candidates at the municipal level total 9,084. Over half of those — 4,667 — are women."

So at least the 19, well, 2 + 17, are not taking women's places. Fairly progressive to have actually half women in government. And I guess that is why 19 (assumed) transsexuals did get the vote, because the region actually is progressive in that regard. Well maybe that, and it looks like every second person in the state is in politics, LOL.

@R0wantrees

Some 34 groups have now come together and written a letter to Penny Mordaunt, the new minister, calling for the act to be revised

Christ, did they never hear of paragraphs?

Juells
apologies, it was formatted in The Metro article but this got lost in my copy & paste.

Ah....

Rufus Mornington Crescent is sometimes played on I'm Sorry I haven't a Clue on Radio 4, a panel game show notorious for focussing on the silly or absurd. The panellists improvise a pretend game by naming various tube stations, supposedly in an effort to reach the Mornington Crescent station, and faking the things people normally say when playing real games, including solemnly discussing the non-existent rules.

One million pounds to the person that can articulate the objective criteria that reveal the difference between a real transgender person and a fake one.

They surgically change their genitals and don’t disrespect the gender they are supposed to identify with?

It’s probably the wrong answer, I just fancied a shot at a million pounds 😁

My own feeling is that Maria Miller couldn't be bothered to do any of the legwork so when the trans lobby offered to do it on her behalf, she just jumped at the chance. Probably hasn't even read the report that has her name on it.

I'll bet she thought "Brilliant, I'll let them do the work and then take all the credit for it".

She didn't realise she'd been played. That's why she is so defensive about it. She can hardly admit it, can she?

www.isihac.net/mornington_crescent.php For Rufus - I think it adds to the obfuscation I always thought the idea for the game had something to do with chess commentary, as it started at the time there was a lot of chess on television (Kasparov and K????? etc).

I think MM is not the only one to be played - there has been a lot of that going on.

Truscum - I would give you a million if I had it. Have a .

My mum and my aunties were addicted to Mornington Crescent. Whenever they got a few sheets to the wind, they used to play their own version - loudly and drunkenly - with fanciable famous men. The destination was Gregory Peck (don't ask. And don't ask about the rules they came up with, either)!

We could play a feminist version with a destination of Full Matriarchy?

They sound brilliant Lang!

Can I self identify as someone with an answer to Barrack's question and claim my £1M?

(You know I can right?)

Harrow and Wealdstone.

They surgically change their genitals and don’t disrespect the gender they are supposed to identify with?

Bang on the money there.

Morningtrans Crescent? What a fine idea.

This would be a great one to send to the Funny Old World column of Private Eye

R0wan Now If I didn’t know better I would say that was lobbying by a trans lobby.... of course now I know that to suggest there is even such a thing as a ‘trans lobby’ is abuse.

The letter.

Mossandclover
this was raised in James Kirkup's recent article,
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

(extract)
Stephen Doughty MP said. “Do you think the use of the phrase “trans lobby” is an appropriate one?”

As it happens, Dr Carmichael in her lecture said some things that seem relevant here:

“Gender has become amazingly topical and we have to be really careful not to assume that anyone is exploring or questioning their gender is going to want to change their bodies in line with that. The extremes on either side are not helpful. We need to look at the grey areas in between. To do that we need to be able to talk and discuss these issues. All too often stakeholders become lobby groups.”

She did not name any stakeholder. But her words might be relevant to a charity called Mermaids. Mermaids is a charity that describes itself as “a support group for children and young people with gender dysphoria and their families”. Its CEO, Susie Green describes herself as “parent to a daughter who was born male.” Mermaids is a relatively small charity (it had income of £127,000 in the year to March 2017) with a big reach. It has prominent backers and its advice and recommendations have been absorbed and adopted by many public bodies." continues...

Mossandclover

How could you even suggest that a group of people writing to a minister in charge of the issue they're concerned about to raise their concerns are lobbyists?! TRANSPHOBE!!!!

I am sorry I haven't a clue but am going to go with Russel Square.

Quite frankly Lang the destination should always be Gregory Peck .......