Why has the trans lobby been so successful?

[feesh]

. Have been following the discussions on here over the last few months.

I never really identified with feminism before, so it’s been quite eye opening.

The thing I don’t understand is why the trans campaign has been SO successful. We have barely acheived gay rights, yet the trans lobby has had massive gains in only a few short months of campaigning. They have had victories that other campaigns can only dream of.

Part of the reason for me dwelling on this is that I’ve been working in conservation and environmental management for years and we have barely made any headway into changing hearts and minds, yet the realities of what we are facing with environmental destruction are even scarier than the erosion of women’s rights, but nobody ever seems to get outraged about it (apart from the plastics issue, about which I think the tide is finally turning).

Who is behind the trans lobby? Where does all this power and money come from?

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

Rich men want to get richer. Pretty much the cause of all the world's problems.

Because they lie and because they weaponise social media.

See also: Brexit, Trump and every other fucking anti-democratic shit show that is going on at the moment.

It's amazing the notice people take when a movement is led by white, able bodied, straight, mostly affluent and well educated men.

Who is behind the trans lobby? Where does all this power and money come from?

You might find that if there was a drug that you could take to counter the effects of conservation or environmentalism, you would be sorted.

Ask yourself - who is gaining £ here?

Because it is an issue that mainly impacts on women.

Look at big Pharma and who is at the top of those trees.

I agree with Luna.

This opened my eyes a couple of days ago

Who benefits? Men.

It ticks more than one box - removal of women's rights, big pharma income, population reduction.

From Guardian article in 2013, some perspective and history of those in the transgender UK community with influence.
www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

"Part of Burchill's critique of trans campaigners was to suggest they are a small, educated minority who punch well above their weight. Whittle admits trans people tend to be well educated but says this is a legacy of them having no jobs to go to. Whittle, Lees and Burns all came from humble beginnings and are now smart, networked individuals.

In 25 years, Barrett has seen trans people become "a networked bunch" – more so than other people, he thinks – thanks to the internet. Lees, who also works for Trans Media Action, says social media is the "essential catalyst" for the transformation of trans people in society. "Society is in transition and we've woken up from the operation and there's no going back. We can't pretend that trans people don't exist any more," she says. "People have been taking the piss out of trans people for 60 years. The narrative on trans issues has been controlled by people who have no understanding of them. Social media is about us grabbing the narrative back and telling our own stories – this is our reality, this is what we go through and this is what matters to us. We're here, we're in your face, we definitely exist. That's the most important thing – realising we exist."

I think it's been successful because most people don't identify with gender stereotypes and are happy to support a movement that appears to let people break out of them.
Many also know old-school transsexuals who have had had to battle serious prejudice and fight to be accepted, and these are the people most people are thinking of when they hear of transphobia.
However, I think few people realise how far extremists, particularly MRAs, have taken over the trans movement. They hear things like feminists complaining about children being given hormones and think it's just Daily Mail type exaggerating because they assume that there are checks and safeguarding in place to prevent abuse of it.
It does seem to be reaching a tipping point in that I think people are becoming more aware of abuse from TRAs and realising that there's a problem. I'm seeing more women and trans people speaking out against it.

I think they've targeted all the political parties after joining the LGB community and also joining women's sections in parties. They have been very single minded and called anyone who disagrees with them transphobic and who wants to be against an oppressed minority in the land of woke politics? They've portrayed transphobia as akin to homophobia and complained when people ask why all these supposedly transgender folk aren't getting genital reassignment surgery if they hate their "assigned" sex that much as weird people unnaturally interested in other people's genitals.

People think it's progressive and liberal, want to be onside with latest oppressed group. Critical thinking bypass.

Two reasons:

They have attached themselves to the LGB (and legitimate) T movement; and

They have had a head start of, at least, 7 years on us, working behind the scenes, out of sight.

I think it's been successful because most people don't identify with gender stereotypes and are happy to support a movement that appears to let people break out of them.

Not sure on that. The one thing that trans genderism does is reinforce gender stereotypes.

I don't know OP but I wish I did.

I am also someone who campaigns on the environment.

Whittle admits trans people tend to be well educated but says this is a legacy of them having no jobs to go to.

That wasn't my first thought reading that. Maybe because in the past many of those that did fully transition were the ones with money to do it. So there may be a correlation between those from more affluent backgrounds with a certain level of education and those with higher paying jobs and the resources to do it.

Also the old school transsexuals may have relied more on the gender clinics whereas the modern variants of 'TRA' will include middle class males who can now afford to take their crossdressing further. (Not sure about all of them eg. the person fined for assaulting the 60 year old - where they fit in terms of working class/ middle class/ resources etc).

I think it is a little unfair to believe this has happened in just a few short months. In truth trans rights have been fought for for decades.

The government was taken to the ECHR on a number of issues in the 90s relating to NHS care and legal recognition, which they lost. That resulted in the NHS Care Pathway to support those who transition and the GRA. Other legislation was enacted to cover discrimination.

The government decided to bring all discrimination legislation together in one act in 2010, the Equality Act.

In 2012, Lucy Meadows, was outed in the Daily Mail in a terrible opinion piece which led to a constant and intimidating media presence at her home. Three months after the article was published Lucy took her own life.

The judge at her inquest wrote to the government to state that media involvement in this case was a significant factor and more should be done to protect those who are undergoing gender reassignment.

This, combined with a general positive representation in the media surrounding transgender individuals (Caitlin Jenner and Kelly Maloney) prompted the Women's and Equalities minister to set up an enquiry into issues faced by the trans community.

This took place in the autumn of 2015, with the recommendations published in January 2016. The government delayed responding to the article due to the election but later went on to officially push it into the long grass.

Following the disastrous election result for Theresa May she approached LGBT groups shortly after and announced that she would bring forward a consultation on the GRA (not EA). A survey was conducted online in the autumn of 2017.

As of right now, the government has still not formally responded to the results of the survey or proposed any draft legislation, claiming that due to the scale of the response that it would take some time to get through them.

I think it's been successful because most people don't identify with gender stereotypes and are happy to support a movement that appears to let people break out of them.

Not sure on that. The one thing that trans genderism does is reinforce gender stereotypes.

Oh absolutely. I think people think that's what it's about when they haven't had much experience of trans activism. It's also very much what TRAs say they're doing, while their behaviour shows it's quite the opposite. I do think more people are starting to realise that something isn't quite adding up though.

There is no trans 'lobby', however trans rights have progressed at a snails pace.
However the fact it is advancing at all, still comes as a massive shock to those who get their idea's of what trans people are from some of the transphobic posts and misinformation on here.

In effect it is quite easy to understand why trans rights will always progress and cis allies are supporting trans people, to understand this, simply imagine trans people are actually who they say they are, and that their experiences and narratives are true and valid, and trans people in general are the polar opposite of the smears contained within some of the transphobic posts on this forum.

Trans people are becoming stronger and more supported, because more and more trans people are coming out, and the opposite of 'peaktrans' is happening, real life isn't a propaganda framed echo chamber..

Urgh, will you please stop calling women ”cis” it gets on my nerves.

'Cos you've got some straight white men offering to beat women up, and other straight white men can feel right-on for agreeing with them.

Amusing, this very post could have been written back in the 50's and 60's but rather than Trans Women it would have been about gays, The same old adage and paranoia,
Have you not though with the increase in social media and Trans women speaking out might have made the subject more prevalent than it was as many Trans Women are not prepared to hide behind closed doors very much like the Gay community all those years ago,
Still nobody questions Gay rights any more and most are accepting and those that are are just bigots,
In 5/10 years the same thoughts will be about those who condemn Trans Women,
I am proud to be a CIS woman who supports Trans Women,

I think the suffering of trans women is more public and novel than the suffering of women which is.....what it has always been.

So a fully transitioned trans woman may have voluntarily had a very painful series of operations and have been chased down the street/had things thrown at them.

Whereas a woman is typically abused in private.

Because transactivists are, on the whole, straight white middle class men. Amazing how quickly you get your way in that case.

Along with this, they attacked themselves to a genuine cause (IMO) as most people do empathize with transsexual people and understand that their lives are fairly hard. Also, a LOT of people hate women, so do not particularly care that we will be negatively affected.