Apparently men can get PND too

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No - they get depressed. They cannot have PND. The clue is in the bloody name - POST NATAL. No man can ever be post natal.

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/olivia-spencer/postnatal-depression-gay-bb_5857968.html

I gave up on feminism in the 1980s having been told by a female psychiatrist who claimed to be a feminist that my postnatal psychosis was not hormone related, and had nothing to do with the horrendous PMS I suffered monthly. Many years of ineffective treatment later, including ECT for the depression induced by the antipsychotics, lithium that knocked out my thyroid and left me in a mental fog and periods of suicidal despair, I was prescribed oestrogen patches by a Dutch locum GP and almost immediately regained my sanity.
I'm deeply saddened that so many still seem not to realise the enormous impact hormones and hormonal changes have on women's mental health.

Thing is - there are ssri drugs that seem to be very safe in pregnancy.

I have had two friends suffer with pn psychosis- I suffered from severe, acute pnd and ocd. It bordered on worse at times. It was a very specific feeling and it was undoubtedly physical in origin. When ds didn’t sleep for 18m I was a mess too but it was a very different struggle.

The female unique nature of ante and post natal depression, psychosis, anxiety and ocd HAS to be kept separate because it is a separate, female physiology specific etiology

I am all for depression being recognised and treated better in men - it needs a different label and approach though. It is effectively an adjustment disorder and women can suffer that bit as well. It’s not the same as pnd/pnp/ocd/anxiety

sardine I believe there has been a big push on recognising and treating pnd among gps, mws and hvs. Also psychosis. There's also now the Pandas charity for ANd and PND. It's very mother centred as well it should be. I think issues with the father tend to be more regarding any hint of abuse which can be triggered by birth. So all about safe guarding. As it should be. A new baby simply doesn't seem to be a recognised trigger for any type of mh issues in a father.

This is Pandas. I think any discussion of pnd should link to this charity:

www.pandasfoundation.org.uk

It does distinguish between post natal depression, anxiety, psychosis, OCD.

The site has changed somewhat and I'm not finding it very accessible, but I'm sure there used to be a short part on fathers too unless I'm thinking of Mind.

I think it's a different issue but I feel it needs to be linked to raise awareness of how some fathers struggle and find their mh affected (esp if no prior issues, as with my Dh) purely so that access and support avenues are more accessible. And men perhaps are more self aware - which is an issue in itself as men's mh is often more stigmatised by themselves.

Thanks for sharing, that looks like a really good charity.

Pandas are brilliant, I used to volunteer for them 👍

My dh suffered with post-BeyondBirthedAChild depression too. They didn't actually call it PND, but said it was specifically related to new parenthood.