Is a woman's gender/sex viewpoint mostly age-related?

[Terfulike]

Given the thread on BBC WhatsApp groups, is it an age issue? Is it related to young women having less experience of concrete sex-related experiences such as motherhood, rape, maternity leave impact on career etc. And how would these aspects be communicated to young women? (I'm 53 with 4 kids)

Having said that many women never have children and don’t ever share those experiences so it can’t just be a motherhood thing.

Exactly. But it can be a women's bodies thing.

One of the things that makes me really angry, as a lesbian, is the suggestion that a reluctance to have sex with a male is all about not liking penis "and you can have GREAT sex without having to involve genitals! You're so unimaginative!"

But it's not about not being into penis (although I'm not). It's about being sexually attracted to other women, who have clitorises, and vaginas, like me. And I suspect that the TRAs who do videos & write articles about how we should all be having sex with trans lesbians would never understand that.

And it's about what's going on in my body. The period that came early this morning at the start of my run, or watching my cycle for signs of peri-menopause.

That's feeling like a woman. And something else that makes me really angry is the idea that womanhood can be a social stereotype or a feeling in someone's head, which is a massive insult to anyone with XX chromosomes.

Motherhood cemented it for me. I was always quite feminist but I was pretty optimistic we were getting there. I no longer think that. I think things are getting worse.

Getting pregnant and seeing how I was treated differently at work from dh.
Seeing how serious illness during pregnancy (hospitalised with HG) was dismissed
Being treated like a vessel.

Then after having had a child, I found that my career was screwed. And that equality in the workplace is a myth. And that the men with the stay at home wives were getting the promotions because they could jet off to Miami to play golf at a day’s notice. And that the whole structure of work is geared towards men who are facilitated by an army of women in the background. The blatant misogyny in tech.

And then this GRA thing.

And the news - endless hatred of women. Ciudad Juarez murders, FGM, Canadian First Nations women going missing and no one caring. Bride burnings. Honour killings. Being jailed for miscarrying. A tsunami of hatred of half the world simply because they are women.

And then you look around at your friends who are getting divorced and those nice men are suddenly 40, fucking the intern and treating their wives like utter shite, bitter divorces, abandonment of children. Quibbling over maintenance

Porn. Sickeningly abusive to women. And everywhere.

I’m sorry, but I feel like we are going backwards.

bowlofbabelfish I feel just the same. I despair!

@ErrolTheDragon thanks x

Had two conversations about Women's Place recently which made me think of this thread

1. with a 30 something friend who basically made me feel like a bigot and sneered when I said that men being women because they say they are is misogyny

2. with my 70 something mum who instantly got it, and shared a story of being a short hand typist in the 60s on literally half the salary of male short hand typists she was working with

the difference was incredible.