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Linda Bellos arrested **Title edited by MNHQ to make clear that she was in fact 'interviewed under caution'**

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Terfragette69 · 01/05/2018 16:03

So it would appear that Linda has been arrested and interviewed for saying she would protect herself if the tra's attacked.... What the actual fuck?? This is getting ridiculous we need to act!

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Rufustheconstantreindeer · 01/05/2018 21:32

Oh man

Thread has gone already and i never got the answer to my question

AnitaLovesVictor · 01/05/2018 21:34

I must say, I never would have guessed that redrackem was a brand new poster who has already had a thread deleted.

How did HQ see through their cunning disguise? Wink

Prick News can fuck right off too.

TripleRainbow · 01/05/2018 21:34

*Redrackem
*
Your comment about 3rd world African and Central American countries is extremely untrue and racist, you sound like a Ukipper.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 01/05/2018 21:35

How did HQ see through their cunning disguise? wink

I think there may be special classes

RedHoodGirl · 01/05/2018 21:43

After reading multiple comments about video editing, I’m absolutely certain that the Police will have viewed the full video for context as part of their investigations. I very much doubt they’ve just watched a short clip.

TotallyLibrarianPoo · 01/05/2018 21:46

LindaFlowers

Is there any way to get the DM to run this story and the full video?

ChattyLion · 01/05/2018 21:47

I really hope that actual proper journalists will write about this.

ChattyLion · 01/05/2018 21:49

X post Librarian.
I’d be pleased to see this in the Mail or another daily paper that won’t edit out or ignore gender critical ideas.

bluescreen · 01/05/2018 21:56

Sadly TRAs, as a group, are much better funded than women, as a group

I've seen this allegation before. Is it true? And where do they get their money from?

Ofspartacus · 01/05/2018 22:10

Many TRAs are men who work in tech and finance.

And then there is George Saros

IIIustriouslyIllogical · 01/05/2018 22:16

It is completely different to the pug thing.

How? She said those things, in context they're fine.

But if the law decides that context is irrelevant then she's royally fucked.

I can guarantee that a lot of people on this board will have read the pug story & thought "serves him right, stupid thing to say".

I can guarantee that there are a lot of people now reading about Linda Bellos & thinking "serves her right, stupid thing to say".

We all need to look deeper than the surface veneer of these cases because the law applies to everyone.

But you keep putting your head in the sand.....

AnitaLovesVictor · 01/05/2018 22:18

Pharma has a financial stake in people transitioning - they profit from puberty blockers, sex hormones - that people will be on for long periods of time or even their whole lives.

Private "gender" clinics will profit from people bringing their gender non-conforming children to them.

Certain factions of the far right in the USA want people to transition to the opposite sex rather than being gay. These are well funded, often religious groups.

BlytheByName · 01/05/2018 22:25

I stand with Linda too.

I hope she goes public about what happened to her. Surely some TV news or journalists may publicise it. Does James Kirkup read MN?

GeorgeFayne · 01/05/2018 22:28

I'm sure you may have seen this, and truthfully, it is mainly referring to US organizations, but it's still an interesting read:

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

GeorgeFayne · 01/05/2018 22:36

And I'd also say that I think it's very few on the far right here in the States pushing this agenda. No, they are clearly not fans of homosexuality, but most view transgenderism as being worse. There are even organizations uniting women from both the far left and the far right in opposition, such as: handsacrosstheaislewomen.com/

Planned Parenthood has become both a major political force backing the trans agenda, as well as a leading prescriber of cross sex hormones.

TheRagingGirl · 01/05/2018 22:43

Meanwhile how many women per day are subject to male violence and the police turn a blind eye?

This.

It makes me so angry.

Icantreachthepretzels · 01/05/2018 22:48

How? She said those things, in context they're fine.

But if the law decides that context is irrelevant then she's royally fucked.

I agree it's a frightening precedent to pronounce that 'context is irrelevant' - though I do think that man had it coming. But only because of the slippery slope that could potentially lead to a loss of all sense - and not because the two cases are the same thing at all.

When the judge in the pug case said 'context is irrelevant' they were referring to the fact that this was a joke - the man didn't actually mean that he wanted to 'gas the jews' - he said it in jest. The judge ruled that this wasn't good enough - it shouldn't have been said, regardless of how it was meant. It was offensive.

That is different to splicing up videos and editing bits out. Taking someone else's words out of context and changing the meaning is completely different to being told that the words you actually said we're unacceptable, regardless of why you said them. The point is Linda Bellos didn't say what the edited video claimed she had. That man did say 'gas the jews'.

If what you're are claiming could happen could actually happen - then I could end up in front of a court because I have now typed 'gas the jews' three times. That is ridiculous.
It, however, would not be ridiculous if I posted just those three words onto this thread - as my own words - and then claimed 'they were only a joke.' That could be perceived as incitement to violence, racial hatred and antisemitism - and 'it's only is a joke' is a cop out, that no one would find acceptable.

I think in this case, 'context' is being used in different contexts - if that makes sense. Confused

In the pug case the context is why it was said.
In Linda Bellos's case the context is what she said. The 'why' cannot truly be proved, as their reasoning is in the speaker's head - so if an onlooker is offended, it was offensive. The 'what' can easily be proved - and no one is responsible for the way someone else edits their words.

Wanderabout · 01/05/2018 22:55

Trans issues have been well funded. And quite rightly in terms of the discrimination many trans people will have and do face across the UK and the world. It is easy to forget when faced with some of the extremist TRAs that there are people (not feminists, labour women, or concerned parents) who are really nasty out there.

Whether the resources are being used to support that group is another question.

But anyway, Stonewall, the Scottish orgs basically funded by the scottish govt to lobby them have a lot of funding. As well as infrastructure, social and political capital and branding.

I believe there are something like 260+ trans support orgs in the UK?
There is support for media training/advice etc etc if you are trans

For women who want to lobby for - or even discuss - how their rights are impacted (which is hugely)? Nothing. No funding, no consultation sent out to and advertised to women in Britain. No Stonewall equivalent that can host meetings in parliament. Not even any representation from Maria Miller who had no verbal evidence from feminist/women's orgs. And the women's orgs listened to are now women and men who say they are women's orgs - so clearly agree with self-I'd as they are acting that way already.

IIIustriouslyIllogical · 01/05/2018 22:58

I'm going to ask if you've actually seen the pug video.

It's very obviously a joke. An offensive joke, but a joke nonetheless.

It's had over 3 million views & at least 2 million will have snorted before they moved on....

I found it amusing at the start & then got bored & turned it off. I have no problem with a man saying "Gas the Jews" to make a pug do a Nazi salute - as Jonathon Pie says, the other place you'd have action taken against you for doing that was Nazi Germany...

Other people however were offended so much they reported it as "hate speech" and it was dealt with as such.

Much the same as now.

Pug, Feminist, Nazi, Terf, Gas The Jews, You're a man.....

It seems that it only takes 1 person to complain for "sensitive" topics....

AngryAttackKittens · 01/05/2018 23:11

So basically TRAs want to make it illegal for female people to even suggest that if attacked by male people they would attempt to defend themselves. We should just stand still, shut up, and take what someone has decided that we have coming, right?

Nope, no similarities to the MRA movement there at all, why would anyone suggest such a thing?

Wanderabout · 01/05/2018 23:17

Why are the police not interviewing this guy:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3233686-Its-ok-to-punch-Nazis-becomes-Its-ok-to-punch-women?pg=1&order=

Wanderabout · 01/05/2018 23:22

Or how about Botha who also advocated violence against women who disagree with certain political views (scroll down)

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5565999/amp/Row-female-compartments-transgender-people-pits-Churchills-grandson-against-Mumsnet.html

Wanderabout · 01/05/2018 23:24

Or what about the TRA who was caught on video (while awaiting trial for punching a woman) shouting abuse about Venice Allen.

If I remember correctly she called the police and they said they weren't interested?

Wanderabout · 01/05/2018 23:31

Or hey, what about a nice chat down the local police station for any of these people:

terfisaslur.com

No? No you're right, it's female BAME lesbians who are prepared to use self defence if needed who are the threat here. Apologies.

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