Feminists want to legalise child prostitution

[DJLippy]

I just read an article about how the liberal left and feminism were working towards legalising child prostitution.

If anyone wants an insight into the SWERF slur and the debate around the legalisation of prostitution this is a brilliant place to start.

I cannot believe that in 2018 progressives are arguing that anyone who is against 'youth sex work' is a zealout.

Considering Telford, Rochdale ect how can the left be considering such moves? Does anyone believe the police would take those girls claims seriously if their abusers had a 'licence?'

www.christianpost.com/news/is-there-a-secret-plan-legalize-sex-trafficking-minors-feminist-activist-tells-all-222211/page1.html

The fact that she had to publish this article in a Conservative Christian magasine should speak volumes about the state of the Left today. Why isn't anyone angry about this???

"And I can't speak to an age limit because I'm not up on what the advocacy community in that regard would advocate right now, so I don't want to speak to that."

That Jacobson woman is an idiot and this comment is spectacularly idiotic.

Bloody hell, that's appalling. And YY to Lass's summing up. What sort of a complete idiot and morally bankrupt creep do you have to be to support children/teens being in prostitution?

There's a reason why pimps groom underage girls into prostitution - it's the age old idea of controlling the future adult. A few grown women voluntarily go into prostitution, but not many - most prostitutes were groomed into it/abused as teenagers. Because teenagers are vulnerable, and easily manipulated. If the people supposedly tasked with protecting them cannot see that, then they should not be in the job.

I found Chart's comments particularly illuminating when she talked about her Jehovah's Witness upbringing and the parallels between JW "disfellowshipping" and the ostracism/exclusion/sacking meted out to dissenting voices by the "so-open-minded-their-brains-have-fallen-out" liberal left. Once you've been in, and escaped, a cult, you can see cult-like behaviour all too clearly.

This is so scary.

as I left the women's place meeting on wednesday the protesters were shouting 'not my feminism' (as an aside the majority were men).

well ditto chum. this is not my fucking feminism.

the phrase 'sex work' makes me so angry I could probably rip a telephone directory in half.

Sex 'work'. The 'work' where 60% of the 'workers' are raped or badly beaten by their 'customers'.

The 'work' with the mortality rate 12 times higher than that of women not engaged in that 'work'.

I'd like to see that 'work' get past a health and safety assessment.

on these two fundamental issues, women exist and children should not be sold for sex. I can't even fathom that there are people who have decided that these things are up for discussion

And this is now our world....

Isn't there supposed to be a post by this point wagging a finger at us for "allying yourselves with The Christian Post"?

Because teenagers are vulnerable, and easily manipulated

This is why they are also the main target for the TRAs

Get rid of women/women's rights and who will protect the children?

Nauticant, I was just coming on to point out that the woman interviewed decided it was worth going to the Christian Post, despite many differences in their outlook.

'Feminists'.
FTFY.

Sorry that should have been 'feminists'
Anyone know more about the liberal feminists obsession with legalising sex work? Is it coming from certain publications/universities?
It just seems INSANE to me that challenging this makes you a bigot I don't understand AT ALL

What sort of a complete idiot and morally bankrupt creep do you have to be to support children/teens being in prostitution

janetmock.com/2014/01/30/janet-mock-sex-work-experiences/

For some it is seen as a legitimate, even empowering choice, which is unfairly seen as shameful.

I know this is probably going to fall on deaf ears as it’s a subject most people don’t really want to see the other side of but I thought I’d give it a try anyway.

Firstly the article appears to be pretty sensationalist, a lot of quotes appear to be pieced together and there doesn’t actually appear to be any definitive suggestion that teenagers should be encouraged into sex work. Instead it talks about sex work being a lifeline for poor women and that these women are often young. So it would be good to not run off with images of child brothels on every corner straight away.

Now to the point that actually matters, the senate bill that this is talking about is Fosta/Sesta. This is based in the context of the USA, which is important as full service sex work is completely illegal unlike the relative legality into the UK. The bill basically further criminalizes it by criminalizing any online “promotional material for sex trafficking”. All sounds good and jolly, right?

The problem is what comes under that material is safety information, customer screening services and some people’s only source of income. Imagine watching people rejoicing as they’ve just successfully burnt your workplace to the ground, leaving you unable to feed your kids while also not being able to access community resources? These women suddenly have no way of screening clients, something that’s been a fantastic resource with the spread of the internet. In effect, they’re put in a position where they need any work they can get as their advertising has just disappeared and they also now have no safety measures to fall back on. This bill doesn’t protect them, it makes them easier to murder.

But sex trafficking! You cry

The problem is you’re not criminalizing trafficking, you’re criminalizing the 15 year old girl who is being trafficked and making her unable to come forward due to fear of prosecution. You’re pushing her out onto a street corner and away from a lot of online presence that can be tracked and subsequently infiltrated by the police.

This doesn’t help willing sex workers safety or the possibility of stopping trafficking. I think everyone on this board would agree that banning abortion would just make it dangerous, but please see that the same is being done to other vulnerable women right now, just also with a feminist backing.

OP - did you see the NUS guidance for supporting student sex workers that came out last month? Link here

I wondered at the time where the drive was coming from, and still not sure.

Legalising prostitution drives demand. That's why Holland has re-criminalised prostitution. Why should we turn it into a business - it will only make money for pimps.

@HappyStripper
I'm from a working class background and live in town next door to Rochdale where many vulnerable girls were groomed and abused for years. Legalising prostitution would mean they cannot go to police for help! There are many desperate British men and women who would vulnerable to these pimps. We have a massive homeless crisis ATM. What a great place for these brothels to recruit from. It may be fine if you live a priveledged life but this is my community - people I know - so it's a little difficult to buy into your 'empowering' bullshit. What job is 'empowering?' Who thinks a job where women are 12 times more likely to die is 'empowering?'

What sort of a complete idiot and morally bankrupt creep do you have to be to support children/teens being in prostitution?

Calling her an idiot was putting the more sympathetic spin on it. Morally bankrupt is probably more accurate.

The problem is you’re not criminalizing trafficking, you’re criminalizing the 15 year old girl who is being trafficked and making her unable to come forward due to fear of prosecution

No one, absolutely no one is calling for the criminlisation of 15 year old girls. It is not illegal for an adult woman to be a prostitute. It is illegal for a 15 year old girl to be a prostitute but the person comitting the crime is the punter , not the girl.

@DJLippy

Firstly, at no point did I mention “empowering” so I don’t know where you’re getting that from. Though probably it’s just a piece of rhetoric you’re used to using. No job has to be empowering, and I really don’t see why that idea is forced upon sex work, as if it’s suddenly only valid if empowering. Also your much loved statistic it seems, comes from the lack of safety I was just talking about. There’s a reason sex workers are murdered. No one much likes us and no one cares. It’s easier to criminalize it than actually provide help and safety. Because of this we’re easy to kill, simple targets, a dead hooker is almost a funny joke. So really stating that fact isn’t helping your argument, it just shows the results of a society where it’s already stigmatized.

As for your comments on grooming etc. Criminalizing stops these girls coming forward. In a legalized society, grooming and coercion are still illegal but a girl coming forward gets help and counseling if she has been forced, not slapped into handcuffs for being “a dirty prostitute”. All criminalization does is drives these people underground, though I guess that’s nice for you, at least you no longer have to see it.

@LassWiADelicateAir

Actually in the US (the country this article is referring to) it is illegal to participate in full service sex work. As a consequence a lot of underage girls also get criminalized or at the very least fear coming forward due to deportation etc. So yes, victims are criminalized in this case.

There is no such thing as child prostitution only child abuse, where a child is selling themselves by choice (without coercion) they should be deemed as a risk to themselves and put in a therapeutic secure home.

Yes, very good point ScaryMary81, and one I frequently screamed at the radio during the early coverage of Rotherham.

Social workers turned a blind eye because 15 year old girls were deemed to have made a 'lifestyle choice'.

Happystripper I and I suspect most of the other posters on here want punters criminalised- not prostitutes.

Your other comments about "dirty prostitute" "dead hookers" etc are straw men of such epic proportions it isn't worth the time to refute them.

@olennaswimple Financial pressures mean that ever more students are turning to stripping and prostitution to make ends meet.

ReluctantCamper I live in Rochdale and I was the same, it's truly horrifying. Hopefully now it has come to light attitudes will change.

@olennaswimple Gah hit post too soon.

Financial pressures mean that ever more students are turning to stripping and prostitution to make ends meet.

So it makes sense for the NUS to attempt some kind of harm reduction, bearing in mind that reverting to grants and zero fres for first degrees seems as impossible dream now.