Feminists want to legalise child prostitution

[DJLippy]

I just read an article about how the liberal left and feminism were working towards legalising child prostitution.

If anyone wants an insight into the SWERF slur and the debate around the legalisation of prostitution this is a brilliant place to start.

I cannot believe that in 2018 progressives are arguing that anyone who is against 'youth sex work' is a zealout.

Considering Telford, Rochdale ect how can the left be considering such moves? Does anyone believe the police would take those girls claims seriously if their abusers had a 'licence?'

www.christianpost.com/news/is-there-a-secret-plan-legalize-sex-trafficking-minors-feminist-activist-tells-all-222211/page1.html

The fact that she had to publish this article in a Conservative Christian magasine should speak volumes about the state of the Left today. Why isn't anyone angry about this???

Happy there is nothing in that article tgat suggests the problems those prostitutes had in Oslo would be any different under decriminalization. Decriminalization isn't going to remove any stigma about prostitution at all.

My point is Happy that the stigma is coming from wider society, not the word itself. PC culture says don't use the offensive word/change it and all the problems disappear. It just picks up all the old stigma after a while and a new word is needed.

Have a look at this. People are very angry and there is plenty of information if you look.

www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/public-safety/theres-virtually-no-such-thing-as-voluntary-sex-work-says-da/

Nordic Model is the criminalisation of punters not prostitutes

Sex worker / prostitute / hooker whatever.
I called myself a hooker when I worked.

No one is convinced that any of these things are different from each other and the demand to be called a "sex worker because it's just work" completely undermines the truth about the work.

It's propaganda.

@Annewilko4

Yet another article referring to the new bill as progress. It’s literally just taken away safety measures put in place by sex workers themselves as I said previously. Trafficking doesn’t need the internet, it’s easy to abuse children without it. Whereas conducting voluntary sex work safely is now becoming near on impossible as there’s no way to screen the people you’re meeting and it’s making women more vulnerable by putting them back on street corners.

I think that is the FeMANist position rather than the Feminist one. Just FYI, there is no feminist or tenet of feminism that endorses the rape torture and abuse of children, or women or men for that matter.

This is dreadful. Wtf is is going on? The world is inside out 🙈

HappyStripper, I hear your concerns, and I agree that this particular article is poorly written and poorly argued. And it actually presents straw men of both sides of the argument.

But.

"the problem is you're not criminalizing trafficking, you're criminalizing the 15 year old girl and making her afraid to come forward due to fear of prosecution."

This is bullshit. FOSCA/SESCA has NOTHING TO DO with laws governing whether or not teenagers are being prosecuted for prostitution. Nothing.

We all agree that no minor should EVER be so prosecuted, under any circumstances.

There are feminists here in the States who support the Nordic Model. (Natasha Chart supports the NM.)

The Nordic Model DECRIMINALIZES the SELLING of sex. It criminalizes buyers and pimps. Under the NM, no person of any age is prosecuted for selling themselves. It aims to eradicate the market, and the predators.

The term "empowering" is commonly used by people who promote "sex work."

Empowerment is the illusion of the thing. It is not the thing itself.

HappyStripper:

"Well because despite common belief we are actually still people and we even have feelings."

Yes. We know that.

"Prostitute still is rooted in stigma and implies coercion etc."

Which is it? Coercion, or stigma? Because coercion is in fact rife. The stigma is a separate issue; I doubt the word used has much effect on that.

"Sex work is much more neutral and although it can still be used to describe those that are trafficked it also allows room for those who choose to work in the sex industry"

Yes, it's also a conveniently flexible term, as it covers pimps and porn producers as well as the women and children who do the work. As "sex workers," exploiters can presume to speak for those they exploit, as they all belong to the class "sex worker." Cozy, that.

"... and don’t feel like a slur being hurled at them when someone thinks prostitute is just the standard term."

"Prostitute" should not be a slur. But whatever "neutral" term you like, there needs to be a word that specifically refers to people who do the work we all know as prostitution. "Sex work" is much too broad a term--deliberately so. It was designed in order to render its victims invisible.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org/explainers/understanding-sex-work-open-society

George soros' open society foundations. The same person who has donated millions to trans-activists.

The left are destroying morality and it's all deliberate.

@happystripper are you actually someone who has full sex with random men for money? Your screen name suggests you are a stripper. Regardless, I think your view is coloured by the fact you don’t want to lose your income.

I can recognise that some women support themselves and their families by selling their bodies. And that some of the consequences (possibly unintended) of the new US laws makes those women less safe.

I can recognise the above while still believing that there is nothing positive or empowering about sex work. It might, for some women, seem like the least worst choice. But empowering? No.

And yes, not all work is empowering. That is also true. Some work is dangerous, unfulfilling, underpaid, demeaning.

But nobody who calls themselves a feminist should support an ‘industry’ that literally exists to sell female bodies to (mostly) men. There should not be a way for people to sell bodies, to sell sex, to sell children. It’s wrong.

And children? That is always rape. And every single person in the food chain that connects the rapist/abuser/punter to the child should be held criminally responsible.

Actually we do want to be called sex workers over whores/prostitutes (both used extremely derogatorily). Do you also object to gay people not wanting to be called fags or homos? It’s not much of an ask

"Prostitute" means a person, in particular a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment It is not comparable to fag or homo. I am not going to whitewash it by calling it "sex work"

"Sex work" also covers pimps and brothel keepers.

"Prostitute" means a person, in particular a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment It is not comparable to fag or homo. I am not going to whitewash it by calling it "sex work"

"Sex work" also covers pimps and brothel keepers.

This. And yes it is too much of an ask.

Words matter.

I meant to put sex work in inverted comments in my previous post. Please imagine they are there.

Thank you so much for posting this.

Threads like these tend to show most people that post them seem to be unpleasant themselves or know nothing of what they post about ....... for a start you are twisting what they are saying

There is a big difference between asking for it to be legal to be a child prostitute at 15 than it is to be aware that by charging them and leaving it on their record for life so they aren't denied choices or to attain jobs maybe security clearance's or move to another country in later life.

If you are really feminists you could realise that sexwork works for some people as it isn't all about money it can be having free time to look after sick relatives / children and still being able to pay the bills .

Also i totally agree anyone having sex with a minor, animal or someone who cant consent is totally wrong you don't then mark them for life with it on every job application ? Surely child prostitutes (YOUR LABEL ) deserve the same courtesy ?.....

The amount of normal woman who date guys who are useful to them in some way ie a builder who will do there house up then move on to fencer then a kitchen fitter ( seen loads of women do it ) they are just playing the long game but i don't see you calling them out ........

I can see in a previous life some of you would be applying for the lead job in a certain chain of Laundrys .

They also thought their morals superior !

If you are really feminists you could realise that sexwork works for some people as it isn't all about money it can be having free time to look after sick relatives / children and still being able to pay the bills .

I'm not sure the OP and other posters are the ones confused about the meaning of "feminist".

Why does it always end up with an implication that we are prudish anti-prostitutes? The reality is we are anti p*nters. Strangely we don't end up with new posters talking about the morals of men who buy an orgasm.

Surely child prostitutes (YOUR LABEL ) deserve the same courtesy ?.....

There is no such thing as a child prostitute. A child cannot legally consent to be a prostitute. A child who has been given money in exchange for being raped is a rape victim. That point has already been made.

The amount of normal woman who date guys who are useful to them in some way ie a builder who will do there house up then move on to fencer then a kitchen fitter ( seen loads of women do it ) they are just playing the long game but i don't see you calling them out ........

Is this a real thing? Women dating and having sex with duped tradesmen?

If this is a thing and there really are women who are kidding tradesmen into fake relationships to avoid paying bills, then I'm happy to say they are unpleasant and manipulative.

"Well because despite common belief we are actually still people and we even have feelings."

This is the same sort of pathetic manipulative language used by the TRAs, the whole "denying we exist" line. Nobody is denying you exist or saying you are not people. We are simply not bowing down to your demand to validate your fantasy in the face of huge amounts of evidence that the rape and traffiking and prostitution of women and children is overwhelmingly harmful.