Is it just me who hates the word "transphobic"?

[Pandoraphile]

Because it's bandied about and shouted from the rooftops every time a person dares to comment on a trans thread with anything other than dazzling praise? You know, with things like facts or biology.

Say anything that disagrees = transphobic.

Say anything that is biologically and factually true that they don't like = transphobic.

And never mind the utter bollocks I saw on another thread about using the wrong pronoun being violence
I mean, WHERE does this shit come from???

Why does a campaign against Self ID require so much demonization, derision, mocking and probing into trans identities if the issue is so cut and dry in the minds of the regular posters here?

Are you familiar with the jaw dropping misogyny and female erasure of transactivism? The utter lack of consideration for women? This is a majority female forum, and this is the feminist section, and we don't really have any truck with that sort of thing. And yes, sometimes laughter is the only thing possible.

Poula

It may not be to your taste, however the pomposity and certitude that is being ramrodded down the public's neck requires puncturing on all fronts.

When celebs set themselves up as objects of celebrity for money they do get a ribbing from the public. What is that, celebrephobia?

There is some speculation here about a subject, people think out loud, but on the whole it's civilised.

I now see it as a sign the person shouting about this that and the other phobia is a bit stupid and hasn't really thought about the issue. The only phobias are genuine fears like agoraphobia or arachnophobia.
Disagreeing with someone else's ideology is not a phobia.
I have nothing against transwomen, but they still have a Y chromosome and are still male in many ways. Pretending they have transformed in to XX women is just daft. Transwomen have a whole set of medical problems and obstacles that women don't have. Why pretend they are exactly the same? it benefits no-one.
Most of the unhappiness with gender self ID and keeping some spaces female isn't really about transwomen anyway more the way the system could be abused by predatory men.

It may not be to your taste, however the pomposity and certitude that is being ramrodded down the public's neck requires puncturing on all fronts.

so much this!

Thanks Erish

Here's an example of misogyny getting a free pass from the trans community Poula:

San Francisco Library, promoting VAW in the name of 'trans culture'.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3232446-San-Francisco-Library-promoting-VAW-in-the-name-of-trans-culture

Trucking terrible.
That is not what I wrote, spell check is censoring me.

Yep, you have all put it a lot better than I did!

It is lazy and accusatory. I've never been called transphobic (yet) and if I were I would feel very indignant because I'm not.

Like a pp said, I too am very familiar with how debilitating a real phobia is. And I quite agree that "transism" is far more accurate.

I just hope that when this issue ceases to become so inflammatory, that the frenzied yelps of trans women just fade into the background.

*SOME transwomen. I'm by no means lumping them all in together.

I think we should embrace it. While it's not irrational a lot of women fear what the trans agenda and ideology plan to do. It can be explained,it has sound arguments but it is still fear. And we fear...we fear for our rights,our careers,our safety,our health,our mental health and that of our children. We fear for our very own identity being erased.

I am transphobic because I fear and dislike a future and culture of chest feeding and birth givers and everything else. I'm just rational and justified in my fear and dislike.

Poula

A campaign against Self ID requires so much demonization, derision, mocking and probing into trans identities, despite being so cut and dry in the minds of the regular posters here...because it will destroy female-only spaces, put our teenage girls at risk, destroy women's sport, invalidate crime statistics, cost taxpayers millions of pounds building new "women's" prisons...

People just say it without even thinking. I pulled up a guy on Twitter who sneered at Lucy Massoud when she said she is not transphobic. He likened her to a racist. I asked him why he would be saying that about an arab muslim lesbian firefighter who would be forced out of a job if a man decided on his lady days he needed to use her showers. He had no fucking clue who he was accusing!

Dick head.

Transphobic? Or a woman entitled to privacy?

I think we should embrace it.

Well, quite. If standing up for women's rights, services and spaces and the safeguarding of children is transphobic as I'm regularly informed, I'm perfectly happy to be called transphobic.

I can't get het up about it anymore. Like Langcleg says it's been rendered meaningless, like when you say word so much it doesn't sound like a real word anymore.

They're onto calling TERFS 'gayphobic' now. I'm not sure if they realise that there's already a word for being 'phobic' of gay people... you know, 'homophobic'. But they do enjoy making words up.

Gay phobic

Oh for goodness sake

I am actually twatphobic...i self medicate with alcohol

The odd thing about it to me is that they are saying that people have a diagnosable mental illness. A phobia.
At the same time transgender advocates insist that their gender delusions are not a diagnosable mental illness.

I'm beginning to dislike the word "discourse", and I've disliked "problematic" for a while.

They're onto calling TERFS 'gayphobic' now. I'm not sure if they realise that there's already a word for being 'phobic' of gay people... you know, 'homophobic'. But they do enjoy making words up.

I suspect this may be because the concept of homosexuality is considered to be transphobic.

By pulling down her trousers?

I mean, what the dear fuck does that even mean??

I don't mind transphobic if we are using it in the same way we would use homophobic.

I have an issue with how a word which should refer to discrimination, nastiness and hate towards transpeople has had its meaning somehow extended to mean 'anyone who challenges the TRA agenda'.

The word is an appropriation of homophobia which was coined by psychiatrists who spotted people who were themselves homosexual but terrified of the consequences in era's bygone where that sort of thing could cost you your job and being disowned. Gladly times have moved on in the West.

The whole transgender movement is based on appropriation and benefits particularly from being tacked onto the LGB community whilst itself appropriating the realities of being L or G. The word was invented by the T community itself by mimicking other people's realities.

So the appropriation of the word homophobia is really irritating especially when it's used against people for stating basic facts or simply disagreeing.

I love it. Shows they got nothing and must resort to petty name calling.

The right has been saying this kind of name calling by the left is nonsense and divisive for a long time now. At some point it will boil over and come crashing down on them.

Terfulike Thu 26-Apr-18 17:11:45
Poula

A campaign against Self ID requires so much demonization, derision, mocking and probing into trans identities, despite being so cut and dry in the minds of the regular posters here...

ah. you see, what you’ve done here is confirmed that some of the discourse on the Feminism boards around transgender issues is, indeed, deliberately hateful, inflammatory and offensive. it’s the first time i’ve seen that honestly admitted.

nice one.

Yes ExWife. We've never been criticised before on FWR. That's literally never happened.

Every day a new ratfucker arrives to play gotcha.

The thing is that now that transgender advocates and spokes persons have declared women's rights to be anti trans as well as the MRAs long held position that women's rights are anti men this battle in the war on women will be easily seen for what it is by all.
They should have left the children out of it. Then they would likely have gotten away with rolling back women's rights and some women would have cheered them for it.