Boycott list

[MsMcWoodle]

Somebody suggested this on another thread - sorry can't remember who, but I thought it was a good idea.
So far I think I'm right in saying that:
Marks and Spencer don't have sex segregated changing rooms
Primark don't have sex segregated changing rooms
Next have got rid on their female toilets.
Have I got these right? Any others to add?

Children in Need gives money to mermaids.

@averylongtimeasSpartacus
Did your experience at Primark pre-date this?
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/04/18/primark-investigating-after-trans-woman-refused-entry-to-womens-changing-room/

"In a statement to PinkNews, a spokesperson for Primark said it was aware of the complaint posted to Twitter and that “we welcome all customers to use the fitting rooms of their choice.”

“We are aware of a customer’s complaint regarding their experience at our Coventry store and are in touch with them as we investigate as a matter of urgency,” the Primark spokesperson said."

Can we boycott this?

twitter.com/Terfy_Memes/status/990746912826511360

Applauding the Man Friday actions! Interesting to see how different shops reacted.

It was at the end of March.
Hmmm time for another visit I think!

Thanks all for this information. I hold the purse strings in this household and will be boycotting any shops that allow self-ID / abolish spaces for biological women and girls.

Mercure hotels. Because the one in Cardiff cancelled the Women's Place meeting and then released a message slurring WP. They retracted the message but too late.

I'm going to add this as the Co Op don't seem to be giving a reason for their actions.-
They have just boasted that they declined banking services to a feminist group that denied the rights of the transgender community.
No indication of what they mean by this - were the group just denying membership to anyone who is not a biological woman?

Forgot the screenshot

There is a thread on cancer research, calling us cervix owners. No more donations there.

Sad, isn't it. I will donate to another cancer charity.

It is good to see the Co-op implementing anti-oppressive practice.

and will be boycotting any shops that allow self-ID / abolish spaces for biological women and girls.

So what do you expect shops to do - ask to see birth certificates on entry to changing rooms?

Shops are going to be more concerned about complying with the law than worrying about your custom.

Give it up Super - you're not even funny.

A list of all advertisers here on MN needs to be complied too. While this ridiculous policy is in effect I will boycott every company who advertise here.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned.

Shops are going to be more concerned about complying with the law than worrying about your custom.

The law allows exclusion for justifiable objections. Would a shop have a duty of care to keep customers safe in changing rooms? As places in the USA have had a tripling of sexual/voyeuristic crime after making changing rooms unisex, I’d say shops may well change their minds If customer brought a lawsuit against them for not providing a safe changing area? Just a thought anyway.

supermatch

The problem is not ‘a few transwomen trying on skirts.’ It’s that men - your common or garden man, mr joe public, will be able to access spaces they currently can’t. A small but persistent and dangerous proportion of the male population is a danger to women. that is why we have sex segregated spaces.

Removing the sex segregation allows men into areas where they can assault women. I’m not talking about trans women - leave them aside for a minute, I’m taking about men. Even if every transwoman on the planet behaves impeccably, the legislation that allows them into women’s spaces allows MEN in as well. That is the issue.

It would also allow said men to attack said transwomen. Self ID benefits nobody except those who demand access to women’s spaces.

It wasn't meant to be funny McWoodle.

Would a shop have a duty of care to keep customers safe in changing rooms?

Yes. But why would a shop even think that allowing trans people to use their facilities as suggested by the EA would mean customers wouldn't be safe.

Bowl - ok men. They can dress up as women now and go in virtually anywhere if they were that hell bent on doing it. Unlikely anyone would stop them. It's also not a very good strategy as they would stick out like a sore thumb. There are far easier ways for a man to get access - they could dress up as a janitor for a start. Much less conspicuous. I don't think changing rooms would allow much opportunity for such a person and they are usually attended anyway.

Self ID benefits nobody except those who demand access to women’s spaces.

Not supporting Self ID but I'm not convinced it would make a difference - no one is going to start asking to see GRCs at changing rooms. They don't now and they won't if it goes through.

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Yes. But why would a shop even think that allowing trans people to use their facilities as suggested by the EA would mean customers wouldn't be safe.

Because most changing areas are screened only by flimsy curtains. Very few have an attendant actually in there - shops rarely staff atcthat level. If men (again I am not even talking about transwomen, I’m talking about the kind of male predator who will use any loophole they can) can enter those areas, a flimsy curtain is not enough to keep women safe. It only takes one ‘accidental curtain opening ooops I’m so sorry didn’t realise anyone was here’ trick doesn’t it? Or walk in, plant a quick bug and you’ve got video on demand.

Target have found electronic spy devices in changing rooms increase. They’ve found voyeuristic crime and assault increase. Because MEN are now no longer limited by the social convention of not being allowed into that space. And there are a small but dangerous proportion of men who will use anything they can - yes dressing up, yes anything, to access women in a vulnerable state.

Self ID breaks down a layer of social convention that is part of the structure that keeps women safe. Again I’m not even talking about transwomen here - it’s letting the men in that’s the issue.

If a woman sues a shop for not providing a safe area for her to change, I wonder what would happen?

Supermatch knows all this. Just trying to waste everyone's time.

Self ID breaks down a layer of social convention that is part of the structure that keeps women safe.

But men can do that anyway. How is that going to make it more likely - if anything they will be on a register if they have a GRC so I just can't see it a very likely course of action for someone trying to offend. They would basically be giving their legal details to government and then be caught on cctv in a shop.

Again I’m not even talking about transwomen here - it’s letting the men in

But men can do that now if they really want to. They're not going to suddenly apply for a GRC to do it.

If a woman sues a shop for not providing a safe area for her to change, I wonder what would happen?

I have no idea. Is a shop more likely to be sued for not allowing a trans person to use the changing room or by a woman for not providing a safe area?

And who is more likely to be physically hurt in these instances?
Or is that not important to you SM?
Please stop derailing the thread. There's a dear.
People can see what you're doing - how many people do you convert in this way? Quite a few I think. But not in the way you'd hoped.

Oh - and let's not have laws at all - because men will find a way to hurt women anyway. Is that what you're saying?

Please stop derailing the thread.

That can only mean one thing. I've posted rational evidence based facts and arguments.

People can see what you're doing

Yes. As above.

There's a dear.

There's a deer 🦌