Trans people's experiences in male-only spaces

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Can we talk about this? (sorry if it's been done before).

What experiences are male-born trans people having in male-designated single-sex spaces? What experiences have they had in the past?

How are these experiences affecting later decision?s they make about where to be, how to identify?

Is the behaviour of men - and women who choose to join in policing the definition of acceptable male behaviour - not the root problem here? Can we get more attention on to it?

Yeah ...Terribly silly to worry about vulnerable female prisoners housed with men. Terribly. Especially when those men are convicted sex offenders.

Very anti trans...

I don't think you are a solicitor either.

Are you?

"Male only spaces seem to be about retaining advantage and status eg the masons, gentlemen’s clubs and working men’s clubs."

I wouldn't want to find myself in any of those spaces, but that's OK, they probably wouldn't have me, however I dressed."

I can see that. I think they dislike any male-born person who isn't conforming. Though some male spaces have quietly absorbed some categories of men nowadays. For instance, my own profession is now a little less unfriendly towards gay men (provided they wear a pinstripe suit and are conservative).

So long as we keep sex-segregated spaces I'm not bothered if there's another space for trans. It's not our job to sort it out anyway.

Crisp There is a pattern to your posting where you tend to talk at an almost abstract level (e.g. lol at people still as ever with an anti trans bias, still respinning and re-interpreting years old laws, that are in place with no problems).
Which laws? In which way are they being wrongly interpreted? Why are you saying there are 'no problems' when thousands of threads highlight that many people do have problems?
How can any credence be given to your posts when you fail to substantiate your claims?

Male spaces that I can think of include

• public toilets - discussed upthread, but I know both times that my DH has been involved in a fight with a stranger this happened in the toilets (he was followed in)

• changing rooms - both public, such as swimming pools, and private, such as sports clubs, where there are such tight safeguarding rules around minors, camera phones and such that it would be incredible if it was suddenly deemed ok to have mixed sex changing. (I must check some policies of sports associations and see what's changed since I was more closely involved in safeguarding). DH has told me previously that younger players tend to be much more body conscious, and don't like communal showers or the general willy waving that seems to go on in them

• male prisons - where the rate of male on male violence is awful, has been for a long time, and doesn't appear to be getting any better in recent years. I don't understand why there aren't more men lobbying and campaigning for better treatment of male prisoners TBH

• exclusive male spaces - such as golf clubs (where you have to be the "right" sort to get nominated and approved), private members clubs (ditto), and working men's / union clubs (where you also have to be a member). I imagine there are all sorts of ways that transwomen are excluded from these, unless you happen to have won an Olympic gold medal back in the day of course

• non-exclusive but male dominated spaces - such as strip clubs and traditional boozers, where most of the female presence is staff members / workers rather than customers.