The MNHQ Moderation Team: Thread 2

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Dear MNHQ

I'm very grateful for the commitment to free speech you've publicly taken, and for Justine's courage this week.

A former disgruntled employee of MN is writing on Twitter about the 'transphobia' of MN staff, and calling you TERFs. She is showing a great deal of bias and intolerance towards women with feminist views, this may well be her honest opinion, which is no big deal I suppose, since she is no longer an employee.

At least, it isn't an issue until she calls a shout out to her
'friends who still work at MN' to report and take down posts by 'transphobic scum', by which she appears to be referring to any poster objecting to being called TERF by her friend.

Regardless of the personal views of the MNHQ staff, who should be as free to hold their own views as I am mine, I am disturbed that there may be a small contingent of employees who are invested in unfair moderation and will not be applying fair-handed principles, at least if the claims of this ex-employee are credible.

Can you please give posters some reassurance that the difficult job of fair-handed moderation isn't being abused by the 'friends' of ex-employees who are 'reporting it all' and taking down posts because any gender criticism means the poster is 'transphobic scum'?

Thank you.

James Kirkup asked in The Spectator
Why are women frightened to speak up?

Why? Well, as I’ve written before, the debate around gender is poisonous, nasty and even violent. Online conversation can turn extremely hostile when someone questions the orthodoxy on transgender issues – or is simply perceived to have done so: some people have written some venomous things about JK Rowling because she “liked” a tweet some saw as transphobic. Neither celebrity nor the facts (she hit the like button by accident) are any defence from the mob.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/fear-and-loathing-grips-the-gender-debate/

Transwomen/men were having escorts home arranged via social media in Bristol because they were scared of the terfs.

Such bollocks. It's we who need to be afraid. Women have always been the target of men with a mission. Witch hunts anyone?

If you are talking about actually witch hunts I wouldn't use it as an example as quite a few men were also accused.

I said some of my friends feel unsafe, and I'm doing what I can to help - it's strange so many people object to that - particularly feminists, who know how it feels to not want to walk home alone at night."

It is because we recognize DARVO when we are slapped in the face with it.
If the masked men took off their masks it is quite likely they would be safe to walk home without an escort by a person whose gender is just as unrecognizable as their own. They could even walk home together like the ungendered do.

I did think the same as you originally though, that only women were accused of being witches, as that's what the movies portray.

James Kirkup asked in The Spectator. Why are women frightened to speak up?

Well when I did, via Twitter, retweeting gender critical feminists, a complaint was made to my employer, which they took seriously. The complainant (someone with whom I had had absolutely no personal or Twitter contact ever) wanted me sacked unless I recanted my political views.

I’m still so angry.

TheRagingGirl

That's disgusting, what happened?

No wondered your called TheRagingGirl that's terrible! The fact your employer took it seriously is are they only happy to employ woman who don't care about their rights?

I'm sure these things could be challenged in an industrial tribunal.

I'm raging for you TheRagingGirl

This is why so many women remain anonymous on Twitter. They're the bigots - absolutely intolerant -and punishing women for their opinions.

Only about 10% of people who were accused of witchcraft were men.

The other 90% were women. It really was an anti woman campaign, the fact that a small but significant proportion of victims were men, doesn't change that. They tended to be the ones who stood by the women they loved and were punished for it, or they had pissed someone off independently.

In spite of what was done (and it was never about a mass doxxing campaign, it was so that GC women would be made to feel that MN is an unsafe place and to withdraw from saying what they believe, and to damage MN), and in spite of the justified fury of MNetters, I have been impressed with the temperate response I've seen on MN.

Imagine this. There's a website in existence used by trans people and TRAs who feel it is a safe place and essential to them. A GC woman gets employed there and does what Emma Healey has done. Acts out of malice. Do you for one moment think the response from the TRAs would be anything like we've seen here? Any GC woman who did that would have to go into hiding for her own safety.

I thought the early European witch hunts were about a quarter men?
It's why we know most traditional magic tricks, as magicians were required to teach them to a person of high rank or be killed for witchcraft?

To those minimising the violence of the middle class activists, it's all very well saying they're posh kids, but it doesn't matter what accent someone has if they punch you in the face.

They were on the stairs, barring the way and people knew that if they tried to get past them, there was the possibility of being hit, kicked, punched or pushed down the stairs.

If you are in any way disabled or frail, it is absolutely frightening to know that if you try to get into the meeting, you may well end up much more disabled than you started out.

Here's some footage: privileged brat gets irate about "her" pronouns and calls someone a cunt for not knowing about her precious snowflake identity

A quarter sounds very high, Captain, anything I've read about it says much lower. But I don't know that much about it, mostly about England. Continent figures may be higher.

Well I don't know much either, so you could be far more accurate, most of my knowledge comes from History of magic books and Wikipedia.

Certainly wouldn't surprise me if it was statistics for men who were accused vs those that were actually killed.

‘Witch hunts’ have different motivations, but if you want to blame somebody for your failed crop, your best bet is to choose somebody who can’t punch back, like an old woman.

If you are in any way disabled or frail, it is absolutely frightening to know that if you try to get into the meeting, you may well end up much more disabled than you started out.

Here's some footage: privileged brat gets irate about "her" pronouns and calls someone a cunt for not knowing about her precious snowflake identity.

And the someone was Magdalen Berns, who is tiny & currently walking with a stick after her recent operation for brain cancer. If Sisters Uncut genuinely think that's acceptable behaviour, then nobody should be funding them to campaign against domestic violence.

If you are in any way disabled or frail, it is absolutely frightening to know that if you try to get into the meeting, you may well end up much more disabled than you started out.

Oh, please. Disabled =/= wheelchair user / mobility impaired. I have autism, which is a disability, and trying to get into the meeting would have had no impact on my disability.

I can't recall if it is in this thread or another related to this topic, but Ariel The TRA promised us that there would be more revelations about MN over the weekend.

It's Sunday evening, Ariel, and there hasn't been even a whiff of a new post from our friendly neighbourhood handmaiden. Poor show, Ariel. Poor show.

If Sisters Uncut genuinely think that's acceptable behaviour, then nobody should be funding them to campaign against domestic violence.

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I thought the early European witch hunts were about a quarter men?
Location, location, location.
In some areas it was an excuse to steal property from the wealthy or powerful families who were insufficiently subservient to the Church representative.
In other areas it was used by men to remove the competition of women herbalists and midwives.
In others there were true believers who destroyed their entire community with their overzealous terrorism.

A rep from Sisters Uncut who too credit for the terrorist action at Bristol this morning explained that actual transgender identified males never attend these actions. They send what they call their "cis allies" because it is too dangerous to their mental health to experience what women think and say.

Sisters Uncut have some interesting views on violence against women.

They demanded the Edinburgh venue hosting WPUK donated money to ATH, who have openly condoned violence against women.

Previous thread on Sisters Uncut:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3172250-Sisters-Uncut?pg=1&order=

I'm hoping for a meeting in York or Leeds. I'm 60+, 5'1" and not afraid of any waste-of-spaces in masks.