John Mann, Labour MP - wife received rape threats by Left wing men

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Seriously shocking

I douby any female MPs will be surprised however

twitter.com/twitter/statuses/986290410111819778

Apparently also received a dead bird - does that mean something?
A dead bird means that if you talk we will kill you. It is usually sent to witnesses.

Anyone who targets a political opponent's spouse and children is scum.

Sending a jewish MP a dead bird in the post is horrible and hateful, but it isn't inherently antisemitic.

So it was just a coincidence then that this particular MP was targeted? In spite of the people threatening his wife making it quite clear why they were doing so?

I'm pro Palestine. Being pro Palestine does not have to mean the kind of behavior that's being described here. Stop making excuses for terrible people.

Wow he's one the good guys - from Wiki:

In 2014 Mann was responsible for compiling a dossier of historic allegations of child abuse, detailing allegations of 12 former ministers that may have been involved. He said he believes some of them were "definitely child abusers".

Mann has been from the outset an opponent of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. During the leadership campaign he wrote an open letter to Corbyn saying that it would be "inappropriate" for Corbyn to become leader due to allegations that Corbyn had failed to act over allegations of child abuse in his constituency. Just over two months after Corbyn had won the leadership campaign, Mann continued to refuse to back Corbyn in an interview with the BBC, indicating he had no confidence in him. Instead he said that he had confidence in the then shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn.

I felt tears in my eyes when I heard him speak - to think that those who stand for "right", as opposed to wrong, are targets and harassed along with their families is abhorrent on every level - just like Justine experienced. Why isn't very political leader condemning this despicable harassment? The level of moral leadership in political life today is non existent - that's the real problem.

it isn't inherently antisemitic.

Trying to be charitable, perhaps what this meant is that it wasn't like sending, say, a pig's head.Though of course it is no less despicable and cowardly.

That is terrible. Poor man.
Politics is in an awful state at the moment

John Mann isn’t Jewish, I don’t think - just someone who speaks out against antisemitism.

His speech was very powerful, definitely worth listening to if anyone hasn't already.

How anyone can listen to that and then turn it into a Jeremy is being persecuted story I don't know...

"A dead bird means that if you talk we will kill you. It is usually sent to witnesses"

Well I didn't know that. I did wonder what the significance was of a dead bird.
You would imagine that at least one of the professional reporters covering this would have known it or been curious enough to look up the meaning.

I was basically neutral on Corbyn until the "Jeremy knows best but nasty people keep attacking him just trust him an he'll fix everything, and btw if you don't there will be consequences, hint hint" people started popping up any time his name was mentioned. Those people have soured my view of him not only by association but in the sense that apparently he and/or his staff think that sort of behavior is fine, since they're not in any way discouraging it.

Cults are creepy, and bullying is not noble. For each person those kinds of comments persuade to toe the line there will be another one questioning why those comments are happening and how much they trust a political leader/group that thinks that's a reasonable way to conduct themselves.

The problem is all the SWP & their like entryists who gained control of the party when some knob decided to open the leadership elections to non-members. They are the unacceptable anti-semitic and misogynist face of the left. JC is the cuddly ineffectual grandfather front allowing them to take over. I am still a member, because I haven't given up hope that Labour can be regained for the moderate left.....yet.

Sorry flowers I used to think like that too, it's very hard to give up. But I don't think the moderates can regain the Labour party, it's all too entrenched. Besides I now feel they are complicit in it all.

I'm far enough left that nobody needed to explain to me what a tankie was, put it that way, and I still want nothing to do with Corbyn's online supporters.

Allowing non-members to vote in a leadership election was so obviously batshit that I'm still not quite sure how it was allowed to happen.

John Mann isn’t Jewish, but is vehemently against anti Semitism in the party. To assume that anyone in the party who speaks out against it is Jewish sends a clear message that it’s “just those pesky Jews making a fuss again, let’s not worry” it’s inconcievable to most people that anyone non Jewish would care enough to speak out. Wes Streeting isn’t Jewish either and he speaks out. John Mann’s constituency is Bassetlaw, a place with no Jewish community so he isn’t even speaking on behalf of his constituents, he’s speaking out because he’s a decent and honourable MP who is not afraid to speak about against the nutters in the party

The Guardian's article. Depressingly familiar.

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/17/jeremy-corbyn-accused-of-lacking-moral-clarity-on-antisemitism

Mentions John Mann in passing, no talk of the rape threats or the bullies from Momentum, just a general isn't anti-Semitism awful kind of thing without reporting the details of what had actually happened to those who stood up and spoke about it.

Mentions MPs' visits to Auschwitz, attacks against Jews in Europe. Indicative of wider social malaise apparently.

Clear attempt to deflect attention away from Labour - Jews have had it worse in the past, and they have it worse on the continent now. So what can you do. Shrug.

Womanformerlyknownaswoman “the level of moral leadership in political life today is non existent, that is the real problem”

THIS. Watching Ruth Smeeth’s speech yesterday too, after this one, it is just unbelievable that this is Britain today. I don’t remember a more toxic and puerile political climate.
I was saying much the same to DH yesterday, talking about both this issue on the thread, and the cowardice over the women’s rights and gender issues. It makes me really fearful , given the current powder keg climate in Syria. We need moral and truthful politicians with the heart and guts to stand up and be counted, instead we have a whole load of spiteful small time bully boys. I’m not voting Labour again, this whole madness plus the Lily Madigan stuff finished off any respect I had for them as a party. Lord knows who I will vote for. The most decent person I can find out of any party I suppose.

Until Jeremy Corbyn actually grows a backbone - regardless of the other bones in his body - Labour are fucked.

John Mann isn't Jewish but has made long-term efforts to deal with issues within his own party. Momentum are disgusting.

I'm far enough left that nobody needed to explain to me what a tankie was, put it that way, and I still want nothing to do with Corbyn's online supporters.

LOL! Same here.

I quite like Corbyn personally but he's a hopeless leader - resilient as an individual but weak as a direction-setter, as can be seen by his inability to set clear boundaries for his supporters to abide by.

Unfortunately, the cult of the Magic Granddad has grown up around him and it's social media-led which, as we all realise by now, leads to vicious tribalism with absolutely unfettered abusive behaviour.

What I do not understand with Corbyn is after a terrorist attack with ISIS connection one of his early responses (and rightly) is not to connect Muslims with the atrocities. We do not hold other people living in the UK for their countries action, we do not hold Americans responsible for trump, Russians for Putin and yet it seems some people are unable including Corbyn to have the same standard for Jewish people.

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I feel a level of disquiet - like the canary in the coal mine - I can smell a strange smell and it doesn't bode well.

The law enforcement systems have been weaponised, along with welfare, health and education. Social media are the armed forces creating the attacks and insecurity vital for capturing new ground. Abusers violate and harm in relative freedom it seems. I am gaslighted wherever I try to talk about this systemic stuff online by moderation policies that protect abusers.

I think I'm starting to feel I may end up as a refugee and run for the hills. I know this is what the bullies want - to create that insecurity.

The lack of moral fibre and character is what is missing from many politicians who as you say are a whole load of spiteful small time bully boys. I think this may be by design - it started with Thatcher and Reagan as a concerted effort to undermine the relative security after WW2. The political parties have been neo-conned and have no relevance to me anymore - spoilt vote I think

Note to self - make some headway on setting up a radfem platform

If you’re in public life you accept the risk of your actions being robustly criticised in the press and online.

You do NOT accept your family being threatened with rape, or any threats of violence to yourself or your family. I hope this gets investigated, and I hope the culprits are dragged out into the light.

It’s also a shocking indictment of how labour are running the party at the moment. There is NO PLACE for antisemitism in any party I would vote for. There should also be a zero tolerance policy for this violent, misogynistic shit.

What the hell happened to our society where rape threats against family are usedvrather than a stinging debate against ones opponents in parliament? It’s is absolutely fucked up.

I cannot vote labour ever again unless I see a root and branch denunciation and total removal of this behaviour.

There is so much smearing going on against Labour and Corbyn, I wonder if they know for sure that all these things are being said by Labour supporters and not people pretending to be from Labour.

We need a clear out of Momentum members from the Labour Party, which won't happen while Corbyn is Leader.

There is so much smearing going on against Labour and Corbyn, I wonder if they know for sure that all these things are being said by Labour supporters and not people pretending to be from Labour

You are ignoring the fact that there is so much about Corbyn,McDonell and Momentum which can be validly criticised regardless of the political persuasion of the person making the criticism.

There is so much smearing going on against Labour and Corbyn

Maybe. But frankly, their misogyny alone (which they haven’t been smeared on in the press because who gives a fuck eh?) puts me off. Add in the antisemitism and I’m not liking the lefty thoight police just now. And I’m a northern pit town raised leftie.

My uncle was still in the miners union during the strikes. Labour is my natural political home. Or it would be, if it wasn't full to bursting point with misogynists and people who think that protecting Corbyn's reputation is more important than stopping members from harassing this MPs family.