Conservatives not on board with transgender policy

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grassrootsconservatives.org.uk/news/permalink/2017-10/concerns-mount-over-greening-s-transgender-policy

Concerns continue to mount among Tory activists over Justine Greening’s “deeply unconservative” transgender policy that they describe as a “disturbing ideology”.

Grassroots conservatives, which champions the rights and views of ordinary members, believe the policy, which is being pushed through could cause “unfathomable” suffering to the vulnerable.
So concerned are the group about Government plans, that they have taken the unusual step of writing an open letter to the Party’s 317 Members of Parliament.

This is the first significant policy intervention by Grassroots conservatives since the General Election. It follows the release of a poll of 550 Conservative councillors, conducted by ComRes last month that found activists wanted the party to abandon this policy, which was seen as out of step with the Party membership and a vote loser, and concentrate on securing a good Brexit and the economy.

Transgender reforms and unisex toilets in schools are seen as toxic by more than half of respondents.

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Looks like sanity is prevailing somewhere then. I always thought this was a cynical attempt to look more woke than Labour. Without a downside if you only listen to the trans lobby and assume feminists are stupid and prejudiced.

Now it's starting to look toxic the tories will quietly drop it. Not their sort of thing at all.

just stumbled upon it and thought it was interesting. Presumably that's why it's all gone quiet regarding the Conservatives' proposed reforms to the GRA. Their own party are not on side at all.

This is good actually as I'm going to meet my Tory mp on this, so very helpful, thank you.

Maria Miller didn't do her job properly, then made this mess.

Thats dated October. Its not new. I wonder if that influenced Greening getting sacked?

As for Labour, this only acts as a polarizer. It will be spun as Tories who are like those who were homophobic, in a ploy to win liberal votes. You are either a conservative or you support us and our policy. Etc etc.

I always found it odd that the conservatives got the ball rolling on this. It really won't be popular with their core voters.

Explains the recent Tory back tracking then.

I am beginning to wonder if the political horseshoe met up and created a circle, with all parties now on the right!

Self-ID is right wing.

Then you have Nick Griffin and co cheering on the Labour party with Corbyns brother posting Alex Jones -right wing conspiracy theory shouty man- videos.

Tha

Sorry - That's encouraging. Thanks busy.

Surely that should be Conservatives concerned that women's rights be upheld while also creating policy that provides a safe and reapectful place for trans people.

It bemuses me how the language is all written as anti one group's rights, when actually concerns expressed (certainly here) are all about protecting women and children's rights.

I guess it just got missed out at the start because people didn't realise the impact, and the language will begin to swing around.

As for Labour, this only acts as a polarizer. It will be spun as Tories who are like those who were homophobic, in a ploy to win liberal votes. You are either a conservative or you support us and our policy. Etc etc.

This would certainly highlight the extremes of the argument. It would also create an opportunity for visibility for the wide range of different people who are pro trans and women's rights to raise their points. Lesbians, feminists, socialist activists, concerned parents, people who have worked with vulnerable groups and are clearly not homophobic.

It would be such a shame for all sides for the debate to become red vs blue. I hope it can shift to how do we make policy that considers everyone's needs.

It would be such a shame for all sides for the debate to become red vs blue. I hope it can shift to how do we make policy that considers everyone's needs.

It didn't in America in 2016.

It was actively used as a political strategy. We are merely seeing a repeat here. Though we do have the benefit of being able to see that in retrospect and Uk politics are a slightly different animal, it doesn't however mean we won't fall into the same trap which has been tried and tested.

We also have the benefit of so many brave, compassionate, articulate women on mumsnet and beyond who care about equality for both women and trans people.

Some of the brilliant quotes on the Re:Sisters twitter feed are a great illustration of this.

There are lots of people who see this is a complex issue, that it needs to be discussed, and who fully support gay rights too.

I keep wondering if the whole thing was a deliberate ploy to draw the other parties into declaring in favour of trans politics, so to make them unelectable.

But the Conservatives don't seem smart enough to have planned this?

This will definitely affect how I vote. I want to retain trans rights protecting them against discrimination but I can't in good conscience go along with policies that would put convicted rapists into women's prisons and allow violent mtf trans access to DV shelters. If the TRA force me to chose between protecting women's rights and supporting theirs I'll chose women.

Corbyn has always given off vibes of being indifferent to women's rights and Labour don't actually have a great record of women in power. Even with that, the way they are bullying women on this issue and trying to 'teach us a lesson' has shocked me greatly.

One of Corbyn attack dogs came after me on twitter over a less than wholly supportive tweet I made about Labour, (not on this issue). The tweeter only followed Corbyn and when I looked he went in to attack others in similar ways, tbh I found it a scary experience as I tweet under my real name and only have a small number of followers so I wouldn't have thought it worth going after me and my comment was mild. (I don't want to reveal enough details to make it possible to link this name to my twitter account as the TRA scare me)

I had thought there was not a chance I would vote conservative, but my local Con MP is female and tries to be a decent person, I just hate her politics 🙄. On balance I find the prospect of what will happen to women's rights if the current Labour Party actually got into power so terrifying i can't vote Labour so I'll be voting conservative 😢 (Voting lib dem feels to me like you might as well vote Conservative and they aren't good on this issue either). I don't mean any insult to other Conservative voters btw it's just not my personal political stance

And here we have Labour sending women into the arms of the Tories.

It's in my interests to vote Tory, financially speaking, but I never have.

But I'm fucked if I'm going to vote away my own rights and safety for arseholes who call me a bigot.

What kind of idiots are in Labour these days, that they are chasing away left leaning educated women for blue haired activists without a coherent thought in their heads?

The way Labour handled this issue really frightened me.

In particular the interrogations and suspensions and the utter doublethink. Kicking out a woman who wanted to challenge the party on whether it was acting within the law. Jennifer James and Venice Allen's transcripts from the complaints meetings read like dystopian fiction.

Then saying they didn't find calling a woman a cunt on twitter to be bringing the party into disrepute.

I still can't believe that when asked for comment the party did not say it was unacceptable that a person had called for violence against women, who was pictured with a smiling Jenemy Corbyn.

Saying they would consult but not doing so. Elected officers using words like TERF to describe anyone raising questions about the impact of changes when there are horrible, horrible bits of propaganda all over the place normalising violence against someone called that.

I had been wondering about joining but now just feel worried about a party with this sort of approach getting anywhere near power.

Lib dems and Green also horrified me for similar reasons (although not sure how much the grown ups know about it in those two), as has Maria Miller's approach.

Maybe I'm naive. Is politics normally like this?

These people feel confident to be the real them now. They had to wear a cloak of lies to cover up who they really were before Jeremy made it ok.

It would make a fabulous Margaret Atwood novel.

If the TRA force me to chose between protecting women's rights and supporting theirs I'll chose women.

Me too. I'd rather not but I will if I have to.

I always found it odd that the conservatives got the ball rolling on this. It really won't be popular with their core voters It is my belief that they latched onto it in an attempt to replay the 'gay marriage' debate, after getting a reduced majority in the election. It was already partly through as a private members bill and a dead cert.............. No idea why MM and JG were so involved though - heads turned by the pink news presentations? [confused}

Thing is, I don't trust the Tories either. Their apparent change of heart on this isn't because they are marvellously progressive, and want to protect women's rights, it's more that anything that challenges the gender norms worries their heartlands, and they don't have the analysis to see that trans ideology reinforces the gender norms they love so much, and doesn't challenge them. I think they just see "omg boy in a dress" and freak out.

I won't be voting Tory even on this count.