Conservatives not on board with transgender policy

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grassrootsconservatives.org.uk/news/permalink/2017-10/concerns-mount-over-greening-s-transgender-policy

Concerns continue to mount among Tory activists over Justine Greening’s “deeply unconservative” transgender policy that they describe as a “disturbing ideology”.

Grassroots conservatives, which champions the rights and views of ordinary members, believe the policy, which is being pushed through could cause “unfathomable” suffering to the vulnerable.
So concerned are the group about Government plans, that they have taken the unusual step of writing an open letter to the Party’s 317 Members of Parliament.

This is the first significant policy intervention by Grassroots conservatives since the General Election. It follows the release of a poll of 550 Conservative councillors, conducted by ComRes last month that found activists wanted the party to abandon this policy, which was seen as out of step with the Party membership and a vote loser, and concentrate on securing a good Brexit and the economy.

Transgender reforms and unisex toilets in schools are seen as toxic by more than half of respondents.

As a paid-up Conservative member, I'm glad to see JC's odious game plan is becoming increasingly obvious to Labour's natural supporters.

He frightens the bejesus out of me. And his seemingly benign sidekick, McDonnell, is even more scary. Cuddly granddad figures, they ain't.

What the Conservative Party needs is more centre right members to influence policy. We're an eclectic mix and by no means Alt/far right.

I know Annie. I doubt I will vote for them.

But I am NEVER going to vote Labour again. Or Lib Dems. Or Scottish fucking Greens because Patrick Harvie is a wee tool.

And in Scotland, the SNP are looking very shaky (not least because of this issue)

So problematic to say the least

If Corbyn thinks he can win a general election without women then he's clearly not very good at maths.

Re Conservatives, I think they've also figured out that by dropping self-Id they can position themselves as the "see, look, we're not nutters" party.

Re Conservatives, I think they've also figured out that by dropping self-Id they can position themselves as the "see, look, we're not nutters" party.

Or maybe they're the only ones prepared to listen to the wider public? I see that as a good thing in a political party.

Yeah the whole Maoist show trial thing was not exactly putting Labour's best foot forward. Especially given that the media was already panicking about the association with Militant, you'd think they'd have the sense not to go full purge quite so publicly. The Momentum base appears to be eating that shit up with a spoon though, so maybe that's the plan, keep them happy and don't worry about anyone else.

Note - I do not think this is a good plan.

I found this written on Twitter, it appears on a JHB thread.

A good teacher advocates for critical thinking by facilitating questioning and analysis. A good teacher should also use the opportunity to challenge their own thinking and biases. A good teacher does not encourage hive mind buzzwords or patronize those who think differently.

Free speech, thought and a responsible debate aren't supported in the Labour party any more and that why I no longer vote for them. This began with Corbyn and romoaners disrespecting democracy.

What kind of education are Bromentum and the Labour party giving? They encourage totalitarianism.

Labour is much more vulnerable to voter apathy than the Tories. Labour turnout going down is worse for Labour than Tory turnout going down is for the Tories.

I think this is one of the reasons Labour is going hell for leather for the youth vote. But this is a big risk for them - the last election's "youthquake" wasn't as significant as we keep being told it was.

- the last election's "youthquake" wasn't as significant as we keep being told it was

Indeed. Wasn't there some polling analysis showing that older female voters were in fact just as important?

Labour are being endorsed by the likes of Nick Griffin, how is that going down in London?

Indeed. Wasn't there some polling analysis showing that older female voters were in fact just as important?

Yes. And at the GE, when I campaigned alongside Momentum members several times, most of the contingent was made up of 30-something women, usually public sector workers.

It seems that the pro-Momentum lefty dudebros are more likely to do their campaigning by shouting at non-compliant women on Twitter. Colour me surprised.

And the misogyny is becoming so out of hand now, those women I campaigned with must be questioning their involvement. They were anti-austerity grown-ups - not blue-haired, pomo-addled undergrads.

I read an article a while back about the unions vs. Momentum in the Labour Party.

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/labour-s-next-civil-war-is-a-battle-over-what-it-means-to-be-a-woman-a3793541.html

Not as clear cut as that of course, because there are unionists in Momentum.

A Woman's Place UK has a lot of union officials. And Andrew Murray, Chief of Staff from Unite (and an advisor to Corbyn) has already put his name to the letter in the Morning Star denouncing the attacks from TRAs on Kiri Tunks, the new head of the NUT for alleged transphobia.

Be interesting to see how all that plays out.

Looking at Owen Jones' Twitter feed, the majority of campaigners are youth, very few older women compared to last year.

They are chasing the young because they have lost many older voters. We have experience and watched this all play out before.

Each way bet, Momentum with the young, TU with the older voter?

I have voted in every local election and every General Election since 1976. For the first time ever, I think I'll be spoiling my paper; can't think of anything else I can do as I really can't vote Tory.

Not as clear cut as that of course, because there are unionists in Momentum.

The Venn diagram of Labour Party factionalism is mighty complicated! Even for those of us with decades of involvement.