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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Frankly disturbing tweet from Michael Cashman

101 replies

SunsetBeetch · 13/04/2018 07:09

"Shaken the f out of terf"

Frankly disturbing tweet from Michael Cashman
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SunsetBeetch · 13/04/2018 07:09

twitter.com/mcashmanCBE/status/984191153213001728?s=19

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QueenLaBeefah · 13/04/2018 07:12

How the hell does he know what Mo Mowlam would have thought? What an arrogant tosser.

NotTerfNorCis · 13/04/2018 07:18

Well he's certainly facing a lot of criticism on Twitter.

The backlash is well and truly underway.

Onemorning · 13/04/2018 07:19

Nasty.

AnitaLovesVictor · 13/04/2018 07:29

The sheer irony of that tweet is breathtaking.

"Some of them even purport to be able to look into somebody else's being and define who others are"

While a) defining who we are, and b) defining what Mo Mowlam would have thought about this rise of transactivism - happening years after her death.

Mo Mowlam didn't seem to have much time for traditional gender roles - she may not have fallen for this gender identity bullshit.

Michael Cashman was very aggressive about the meeting in the House of Commons too. I don't think it looks good for a Labour peer to behave like this on social media.

53rdWay · 13/04/2018 07:29

“Behold, ladies! I, a man, have decided I understand feminism better than you. And you can tell what a great feminist I am, because I think women should be punished for doing it in ways I don’t like!”

LittleLebowski · 13/04/2018 07:32

I missed this one; "shake the f"?!!!! What an unbelievable choice of word!
I really can not stand it when people (particularly men) think it's ok to dictate who is and isn't a feminist and what is and isn't 'feminist behaviour'.

AnitaLovesVictor · 13/04/2018 07:36

So many men seem to think it's their entitlement to define women and feminism - it's an entitlement so deeply ingrained, I think they don't even seem to realise they're doing it.

We haven't really moved on as far as I thought we had, in the past 100 years.

WeAreGerbil · 13/04/2018 07:53

The replies are really heartening though!

AngryAttackKittens · 13/04/2018 07:56

"Look into someone else's being and define who others are"

Sorry, Michael, but I'm an atheist and don't believe in souls, gendered or otherwise.

Any men attempting to explain to women how to do feminism correctly has fundamentally failed to grasp what feminism is.

Melamin · 13/04/2018 08:05

I saw that last night. It is a very silly tweet and an odd thing to come from a labour peer. It is one thing to block yourself into a corner and refuse to talk about anything but pretending to know what someone would have said who is no longer with us and making it into a silly meme is just plain silly.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 13/04/2018 08:08

Wow, he didn't think that tweet through at all before pressing send did he?! 🤣

What a bellend.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 13/04/2018 08:14

Wow, the replies, yaaaaaaaassssss!

QueenLaBeefah · 13/04/2018 08:18

I can't decide if social media is a good or bad thing as you learn so much about a person. I used to have a lot of respect for Cashman but now he's been dumped onto the ever increasing pile of misogynists.

MsBeaujangles · 13/04/2018 08:20

Narrative therapists are often interested how people define themselves. They wouldn't challenge someone's identity per ce, but would explore with them how their perception/identity is impacting on them.

For example, for some, 'I am autistic', 'I have autism' and 'I have a diagnosis of autism' can be experienced as 'much of a muchness'. For others, there may be a significantly different lived experience from using different phrases. Sometimes, challenging and changing our narratives can improve the quality of our lives for the better.

Some people feel liberated by a diagnosis of autism, some feel oppressed. For some saying 'I am autistic' helps them to understand themselves better. They see autism as part of who they are and find the diagnosis helps them make sense of themselves. Some feel it important for autism to be relegated to a disorder that impacts on their lives, but is not part of their identity, so 'I have autism' helps to achieve this. Others feel oppressed by the diagnosis and reject it. For them, 'I have been given a diagnosis of autism', or ' I meet the criteria for being diagnosed with autism' would be a healthy and balanced narrative. A narrative of 'I have been coercively assigned autistic' is unlikely to be a helpful or healthy narrative as it is likely to lead to narratives that result in feeling oppressed. It also gives power to the idea that a diagnosis must be part of their identity. It also ignores a dominant narrative in society about autism existing and being significant.

Narrative approaches are based on the idea that humans are compelled to make meaning of ourselves and the world around us. We can't help but 'story' our lives. Our stories are our realities and we tend not to see them as stories or as being open to change.

Narrative approaches suggest the sometimes our stories of ourselves sit comfortably with dominant stories in society (what society holds as universal truths), sometimes they don't.

In narrative terms, Cashman's story seems to be that everyone should accept other people's story of who they are. Whilst he seems to recognise that some people's stories undermine others and that this is problematic, he seems to be selective in how he applies this.

He advocates accepting people's storied identities when it comes to identifying with gender. What about the storied identity of being defined by sexed bodies?

We need language/labels that properly communicate the difference between adopting an identity based on gender or on sex so we should allow both. I can't see any harm in people specifying a preference. We just need to make sure that there is room for both and a distinction is drawn.

Sex protections are needed, as are protections relating to gender identity.

BlackeyedSusan · 13/04/2018 08:51

It reads to me that he wants to shake the fuck out of terfs... Ie a threat of violence. He should have been much more careful about he phrased it if he did not mean that.

LangCleg · 13/04/2018 08:55

Wow, he didn't think that tweet through at all before pressing send did he?!

I think he did cos he's doubling down in subsequent tweets!

He actually does genuinely believe that woman is a feeling in a man's head, I'm afraid. And that if only we dissenting women would stare more deeply into the souls of others, we would believe it too.

OvaHere · 13/04/2018 08:56

It must be such a relief for some men to have found a socially acceptable way to release all their pent up misogyny.

ZERF · 13/04/2018 08:58

^ yes, I get a visual of a feminist bring shaken.

A thoughtful post MrsB.

R0wantrees · 13/04/2018 08:59

It was pretty clear that at the time of the Westminster meeting he was being persuaded by those who (although seemingly restrained and reasonable) were deliberately recycling the propaganda & smears from those operating the most deliberately goady twitter accounts.

AnitaLovesVictor · 13/04/2018 09:00

yes, I get a visual of a feminist bring shaken.

Absolutely that was how I read it.

He's turning into Donald Trump now, he's tweeted:

"These self nominated terfs really cannot stand a different view other than their own. Sad."

AnitaLovesVictor · 13/04/2018 09:01

Mo Mowlam was a pacifist and a feminist - no way would she agree with what Cashman is tweeting.

AngryAttackKittens · 13/04/2018 09:02

On top of everything else that's absolutely awful writing. "Self nominated"?

ErrolTheDragon · 13/04/2018 09:11

' "These self nominated terfs really cannot stand a different view other than their own. '

Confused he seems a little confused. TERF is a slur, applied (by bullies who really can't tolerate other views, it seems) to women who want to debate an issue which has the potential to negatively affect women's rights and the wellbeing of children.

Melamin · 13/04/2018 09:16

Why did he suddenly invoke the ghost of Mo Mowlam anyway? Seems a bit random. Surely it is better to stick to the words deceased politicians actually said if you want to prove a point.

Anyway he does not seem to be getting an awful lot of support from the usual suspects on twitter.

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