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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Frankly disturbing tweet from Michael Cashman

101 replies

SunsetBeetch · 13/04/2018 07:09

"Shaken the f out of terf"

Frankly disturbing tweet from Michael Cashman
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R0wantrees · 13/04/2018 09:21

there's been some focus on how Mo Mowlam has been left out of pictures / discussions about the Good Friday agreement. I think Harriet Harman had made the point...

OvaHere · 13/04/2018 09:22

I imagine because deceased women can't speak back or contradict his opinion. Given that none of this gender war stuff was even on the radar when she was alive it's rather presumptuous to assume what opinion she would have had.

QueenLaBeefah · 13/04/2018 09:24

Is he having a breakdown? It's just utter drivel.

OvaHere · 13/04/2018 09:27

Anyway he does not seem to be getting an awful lot of support from the usual suspects on twitter.

Perhaps because he hasn't got the memo that the current in vogue word to use is anti transactivist. There has been a concerted effort to move away from Terf now that enough people recognise it as the deliberate slur it was intended to being.

If Cashman wants to play this game he needs to keep up with the changing goal posts.

AnitaLovesVictor · 13/04/2018 09:30

I was seriously wondering if he was drunk. He certainly seems very angry.

It frightens me that certain men, in positions of influence and political power, are so very angry at women talking.

MsBeaujangles · 13/04/2018 09:39

I do welcome anti-TRA over TERF or anti-trans.

Shame it has to be framed as anti anything.

I am not anti TRA, as this term encompasses all trans advocates (not just extremists).
We need TRAs and advocates/campaigners for women.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 13/04/2018 09:40

It must be such a relief for some men to have found a socially acceptable way to release all their pent up misogyny.

It really does feel like this is what is happening. Like a river that has burst its banks!

(Didn't mean to put 'wow' at the start of both my other posts on this thread, cringing reading those back!)

Melamin · 13/04/2018 09:41

Pro defending women’ Hard won rights suits me.

LangCleg · 13/04/2018 09:50

I would see myself as definitely anti-TRA as in the political ideology behind the dominant activist movement. I'm also against the related wider ideology of postmodernism/social constructionism.

I am not anti-trans as in people.

I am pro-woman.

Where rights conflict, I will always prioritise the needs of women.

Likewise, where wider social constructionism prioritises middle class individual rights over structural analysis and working class people, I will always prioritise the needs of working class people.

Datun · 13/04/2018 10:29

I do welcome anti-TRA over TERF or anti-trans.

When they say it, they mean 'anti trans' activist. I.e. women who are activists and are anti trans.

Not anti TRA. Or women who are against transactivists.

Kneedeepinunicorns · 13/04/2018 10:40

The only thing I am anti is badly constructed law and removing the rights of women and girls.

Its unfortunate that everything must be framed as personal, either wholly right or wholly wrong, and with a winner and a loser.

ElenOfTheWays · 13/04/2018 10:50

I can't speak for anyone else (ironically) but I don't personally claim to be defining anyone's "inner being" or whatever. Just their material reality as I see it. Which I've a right to do. We all do.
Sorry but generally I do know a man when I see one. Max Factor and Manolo Blahniks notwithstanding. Grin

Caribou58 · 13/04/2018 10:56

I was discussing the whole issue with a friend yesterday - she's always been politically astute and knowledgeable and even she didn't know the real issues about self-id - in terms of the implications for all women and girls - and how the relatively small TRA cohort has effectively infiltrated political parties and convinced them that any opposition is 'transphobic'.

Of course, it seems to suit some of these men to posit women opposed to our erasure as a sex as 'terfs', because the negative categorisation helps their (frankly) misogynistic efforts.

MsBeaujangles · 13/04/2018 11:03

Ahhhh. Thank Datun.

I am actually quite pleased by my ‘glass half full’ error. It reveals some inner optimism!

TurningWood · 13/04/2018 11:06

Michael does indeed sound mentally unwell to me too at the moment.

The call for war, the Labour party being split, now supported by Nick Griffin.

It wasn't just Jews in the Holocaust, there were Polish, disabled, gypsies and gay people too. This Man sounds scared to me.

Michael is an older man that will have some trauma from his life experiences. He may be missing Mo and others then looking at how much longer he has to live.

His use of God is insisting. Maybe imperfect Christians has mislead him or he misunderstood Christians in the past and he is wondering if God exists, what it means for him?

I believe Michael is projecting and scared.

I suspect he is well meaning in part supporting transwomen. I also suspect Michael doesn't like women at all and likes to scapegoat people he deems inferior to him, to feel superior and good about himself.

I see a sad man in Michael, and pity him.

TurningWood · 13/04/2018 11:10

His use of God is interesting...

TurningWood · 13/04/2018 11:14

Michael needs a break and TLC, here is an unMNetty hug to Michael and those he is upsetting whilst lashing out.

Melamin · 13/04/2018 11:15

The context is interesting. I am not sufficiently politically aware to know the ins and outs of the Labour party, but that does give me some understanding of what it is about.

TurningWood · 13/04/2018 11:24

The anti Semitic and holocaust denial in the Labour party must be making him fearful, he is an out gay man.

It is not just Nick Griffin now jumping on the bandwagon. Labour members have been quoting the right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.

Michael would be classed as a Blair witch in the Labour party.

BarrackerBarmer · 13/04/2018 11:25

Atheists may be anti-religion but society doesn't frame them automatically as anti-semites or islamophobes. It is easy enough to comprehend that being opposed to an ideology and its impacts is compatible with being a decent human being. That it doesn't equate to hating or excluding or erasing others.

It is very important to the 'other side' to ensure that this distinction is not allowed when referring to women who oppose this idea of believing that male people are female inside in some invisible, religious way, as are female people, but we just don't realise it.

We must be framed as haters, and we must be demonised. Our dissent is deemed almost criminal.

It barely matters whether they slur us with TERF or 'anti-trans' or whatever name is lined up next. The purpose is to dehumanise us and scare anyone else from considering their position.

AnitaLovesVictor · 13/04/2018 11:27

Labour members have been quoting the right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.

Really? Confused We live in strange times.

TurningWood · 13/04/2018 11:39

A screenshot is available @SoylentGreen78

SpringNowPlease2018 · 13/04/2018 11:41

Please could someone tell me where Nick Griffin fits into this? Thanks.

The world feels beyond batshit right now.

TurningWood · 13/04/2018 12:07

The world feels beyond batshit right now.

A world full of lies, fakery and confusion.

Where woman means man and right means left.

busyboysmum · 13/04/2018 13:04

Anyone noticing a lot of the men who are really attacking women as "terfs" are gay men? There's him and O.J. and that blonde doctor off the TV who are well known. Only Neville Southall I can think of who is straight. And if you Google a recent picture of him, his vehement support for sex workers suddenly makes sense.

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