Elightening article by respected feminist about mothers and female only spaces?

[RedHoodGirl]

Has anyone else read this enlightening article by respected feminist Julian Vigo about how mothers are excluded from some strands of feminism? It’s quite shocking what she’s uncovered.

www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/30/the-spawn-feminisms-misandry-problem/

And what age is it ok for men to be taking themselves in to women's loos.

LOL Mouth

There is an agenda by some TRAs to inflame discussions such as this. Please be aware of this...

I'm not saying anyone should minimise the damage done to a girl who has been assaulted, but nor should we assume that it is likely or normal for a 4 year old to assault.

I agree! I clearly explained myself badly (not for the first time...)

I know that 8 is the cut-off point often cited, and while I did take him into the women's loos until then, I had stopped taking him to women-only events by that point, as I felt it was a bit too old. I can't really even tell you why, I just did. (Though I would have taken him to Horton at that age, if I'd gone, so I am not really clear on this myself.)

R0wantrees I do understand this, but the discussion is happening with or without us, so we might as well try and have a useful one here anyway.

V aware R0w

Ok, so this was a familiar debate among feminists - how do we balance the need for women-only events with the needs of mothers of boy children who do not have suitable childcare? - that on this particular occasion got overheated with a few nasty and personal exchanges. Then Julian, who herself got overheated, wrote up her side of it.

I get it now. Thanks all for explaining!

Of course, that's why I added my opinion to the discussion. I'm a radfem who has organized several women-only events and therefore I have had this discussion before.

While I'm here, I'll add that I found the posted article to be needlessly bombastic and self-centered. I had to compel myself to read past the opening salvo:

^I just received this as an email for a “feminist” event:

“It is a female-only space so we do not allow male children.”

My response: “You have just written the most fucked up email I have ever received in my life. Happy not to attend. Wow!!!”^

The most fucked up email the radical feminist author has ever received in her life is, “It is a female-only space so we do not allow male children.”?

This is longwinded Academicese for "bad feminists are just as bad as misogynistic men:

"We cannot create a movement for social reform and the advance of human rights of women based upon the reversal of atrocity or an 'eye for an eye' type of vigilante feminism."

One could almost forget she's talking about a single all-volunteer feminist event with a no boy-child boundary. 'reversal of atrocity'? 'vigilante feminism'?

Rad-fems and transclusionary rad-fems are entirely different groups of people, and there seems to be some confusion on here where the dividing line is, and exactly who is corrupting rad-fem ideals.

For example.... see attached

Crisp you are back with some boxes to shove us in. Do you work in IT?

Did you check out the figeres on the other threads, Sue0001 was posting different numbers t yours, perhaps you would have a look at Sue's and tell us which one is right?

I dunno Crisp, are you telling us women should all believe exactly the same thing?

Is that like Brexit, where everyone in the UK believes exactly the same thing?

There are women on here who would define themselves as Rad Fem.

There are women on here who would not define themselves as RafdFem.

There are very few women in the world who would define themselves as 'TERFs' . That's a the TRA's job

TRAs will fall over themselves to sow division amongst women.

It's a fall out between some women. Big deal

Crisp, we try and avoid derailing over here, it's a mumsnet thing, so we were talking about females meeting and in you pop with your agenda about men. Maybe start your own thread again?

It's amazing isn't it. Some women disagree with each other in public = feminism is incoherent, feminists are hate-filled and women are nasty harpies.

Some men disagree with each other in public = ... just some men, having a disagreement.

Indeed Tallulah

The TRAs are squealing with glee.

Women expressing different ideas?

"Inconceivable"

Men disagreeing in public. Jeez, when aren't they?

Not if you are a TRA though.

Dissent not permitted in cults

Crikey. I’m a mum of 3 boys and anyone who has ever wanted to pay attention to anything whilst simultaneously trying to keep the children quietly occupied with fun stuff knows that it’s IMPOSSIBLE. It’s either babes in arms at the event or crèche or babysitter. The male toddler in female only spaces argument is just silly though.

The male toddler in female only spaces argument is just silly though.

Well, we seem to be making it a legal requirement.

Hahahaha mouth you’re right.
Let’s clarify it as: adult human males in female only spaces is obviously silly and WRONG, infant human males in female only spaces is the norm for good reason however women may disagree with each other.

The feminist bashing agenda of crisp and TRAs is right there for everyone to see though.

I support the right of women to organize their own events any way they want; female-only, adult-only, mother-only, lesbian-only...

Me too.

I think the title of the article (The Spawn: Feminism’s Misandry Problem) is more shocking than what was "uncovered".

An interesting response from an extremist*:
thewarriorfeminist.wordpress.com/2018/04/07/a-response-to-julian-vigos-the-spawn-feminisms-misandry-problem/

*Sorry if that's the wrong word. I'm not a radfem.

Also, the TRAs on Twitter jumping on this with screenshots from the Facebook thread are mistaken if they think everyone who has some questions about how proposed changes to legislation could impact on women's right is a radical feminist.

The problem with the TRAs's jiggy dancing is that many, possibly even most, women (and men) concerned about the Trans ideology are not Rad Fem and many would not even have labelled themselves 'feminist' before the TRAs launched their batshittery.

So some feminists disagree and have fallen out.

Whoopee.

"Arguments which position male violence not as a social but as a “genetic condition” only serve to duplicate the very essentialist arguments which actual feminists are fighting today where correlating certain gendered behavior to sexed bodies is not the solution, it’s the problem." For actual you could insert radical here. Instead the writer has chosen to apply the label rad fem to the extremist randomers who happen to be opposing her on her social media thread.