Cis as a slur

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I am sick to the back teeth of being called a cis woman or just cis. I don’t need a prefix.

Is there anyway we can campaign for this to become some kind of slur? It is so othering, incredibly demeaning, unnecessary and offensive.

fab point here

maybe we should be WOs and FEs!

And we should sing it, as if we were in a manufactured 60s boy band

I'm a little bit Fee
I'm a little bit Woo

I don't agree with it (because of all the reasons already stated), but I think that there's mileage when talking to TRAs and those reading the conversations around the idea of having a 3rd descriptor - after all, it's clearly nonsense, the idea that anyone is 100% 'cis' or 'trans' - everyone is a jumble, but we can look a bit like we're just stomping our feet over nothing if we insist we don't have a modifier at all (which we aren't.. but it can look that way)

I haven't done latin since I was 12, but is there a word for 'in the middle of'?

a med woman/man? Someone that's neither trans nor cis, but something in between?

In the middle of what exactly?

This alleged 'gender spectrum' that all the genderists are so keen on showing us and talking about - where you're somewhere between barbie and action man.

Basically - I've had a few conversations lately, where people have insisted that I'm cis, and I've insisted I'm not, and they won't accept that I'm trans (despite meeting their criteria for it) because I'm a woman, and fine about being called a woman.

So, to pacify them, and so that I look reasonable one to on-lookers, I'm suggesting that there are transwomen/transmen (who are men/women), ciswomen/cismen (who are women/men who are particularly feminine/masculine), and medwomen/medmen who are women/men who are.. well.. average..

My thought is that either it looks ridiculous, so people are turned off this whole idea of prefixes to the words, or it seems reasonable, and it's acknowledged that most people don't think their gender matches their sex.

Sorry, egg, but I think most of us are insisting 'woman' needs no modifier when applied to an adult human female.

And indeed, in the middle of what? My appearance probably conforms to feminine gender stereotypes (though actually mostly due to biology) but my aptitudes and interests don't.

So, to pacify them
Why do you feel the need to do that? Sticking to biological facts isn't being unreasonable. If other people are unable to accept reality thats their problem. There's no need to make it yours.

X-post ... why should women 'pacify' people who apply unwanted, inappropriate and unnecessary labels to us? If your idea is as a method of showing the absurdity then fine, if you feel like trying it.

The one technical word for the middle of a distribution is 'normal' ... think that would go down well?

That’s because they are redefining what woman means. Regardless of whether or not women care. Many women don’t care. But obviously quite a few of us do. We are worthless TERFs who should die in a fire, apparently. Because that’s how liberal and progressive trans activists are.

I am not happy to pacify them. And I will not stop defining myself biologically.

This alleged 'gender spectrum' that all the genderists are so keen on showing us and talking about - where you're somewhere between barbie and action man.

But millions of us don’t believe in the “gender spectrum”.

I don’t want to enter into other people’s bozarre belief systems and (attempt to) express myself in their nonsensical terms in order to “pacify” people.

Feminism has rejected the imposition of “gender” for decades. I’m not going to start believing ten impossible things before breakfast now, just to be allowed to speak.

The urge to pacify is a red flag. It means you’re being bullied.

It's exactly the same. The fact that you can't see that speaks volumes. Just because you and a few loud others around here seem to think otherwise, it doesn't make it so at all.

Your argument is exactly like people who used to use "coloured" and "normal" about people.
@Puresummer

Damn us loud non-prefixed women.
It is not even remotely the same, even if what you were saying was true.

When Rachel Dolezal, a white woman, decided to identify as black, and indeed state that she was black, the consensus was that she was a fraud. No-one told the black community that they were now "cis black". @Reversingsnail so interesting!

So if cis gender mean that you dont suffer from gender dysphoria

And you can be a trans woman and also not suffer from GD

Then there must be such a term as cistranswoman

Yeah?

Thats going to get very confusing

I'm not cis, I'm a woman.

And no, I don't want to do any 'pacifying' - language and facts, and actual definitions of words are being screwed around with - a whole new belief system is being pushed on us.

I don't really understand why using 'cis' is apparently perfectly fine because its a 'factual descriptor' (plus it's Latin innit), even when women vocally reject it.

But calling a transwoman 'he' or 'a man' is a huge no no. Is that not a 'factual descriptor' then?

This is very well put.

If we are having the fabric of who we are sold down the river then I bloody hope we get a seat at the table when it comes to discussing who the class of women get to be spoken about.

*how the class of women...

I'm a 'Ciswoman' in exactly the same way that I have a cisplanted heart. The 'trans' in 'transsexual' or 'transgender' denotes a change, a transition. The word 'cissition' does not exist. We don't use a cisport system for when we have staycations. I suppose we could have cispennine railway lines rather than east coast and west coast but that would be silly.

Lang, I am stealing this...
"Some people believe the earth is flat. We call them flat earthers. But we don't insist everyone else refers to themselves as spherical earthers."

PS - not cis.

Your argument is exactly like people who used to use "coloured" and "normal" about people.
@Puresummer

PLEASE STOP co-opting, appropriating (weaponising) PoC and the disabled into your specious arguments. We don’t fucking appreciate it at all.

I am beyond excited about the release of Marvel's Infinity Wars. Therefore I am not a cis gender woman. Although I bleach my hair, wear make up and today have a skirt on.

WHO KNEW this gender malarkey was so complicated?

The stupid thing is that they have created a word under the trans-umbrella for people who don't believe in the gender spectrum and therefore consider themselves not to have an internal gender identity - agender - but it can apparently only be used by youngsters who support the TRA agenda.

So any regular mn-type woman who says "well I don't believe I have an internal gender identity so I must be agender (and therefore included as trans)" just gets called a terf. Weird, eh.....?

Puresummer "I was born a woman (sex: female) and am happy being a woman. Ergo, I'm "cisgendered" according to the dictionary. If I was unhappy with my sex being female and felt a conflict between my sex and who I am - wanting to be male - I would not be cisgendered."

I am unhappy being disabled, I feel an internal conflict between my ability and who I am - want to be able-bodied.
If someone can identify as disabled (say Chloe Jennings-White), why can't I identify in the opposite direction and literally become able bodied?
Are both Chloe and I transabled, but in opposite directions? Or is Chloe mentally ill whereas I want to identify out of oppression?

And pain. It would be nice to be able to identify out of pain.

I get all this, I really do - I feel angry about it, I don't want to have to pacify.

But, then I think of my kids, and how I get them to do things, and flat out bans I rarely use, because it turns them into stubborn little balls. What I do is I find out why they think something, and work within that, and that way I'm past their guard, and it actually makes them think, rather than digging their heels in.

I see this line of reasoning in the same way. What I want to say is 'no, I'm a woman, no modifier needed' and the way I get there is by pointing out that neither cis nor trans fits me, that there must be a third way, and by suggesting that perhaps a word could be thought of for that third way, rather than flat out denying the need for one, it makes them think about the whole deal without starting to spew out venom and TERF and blocking me. It's worked twice now (and, you'll be interested to hear, without me actually suggesting what that word might be, and without them suggesting a word either - so by default, I got 'woman' back)