Cis as a slur

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I am sick to the back teeth of being called a cis woman or just cis. I don’t need a prefix.

Is there anyway we can campaign for this to become some kind of slur? It is so othering, incredibly demeaning, unnecessary and offensive.

So many typos in my posts. Shows that babysitting a six month old and typing are more gender stereotypical skills that I don’t fit in with.

you need some term which means "people who agree with their sex assignation at birth"

You can't "disagree with" material reality. It just is.

Some people believe the earth is flat. We call them flat earthers. But we don't insist everyone else refers to themselves as spherical earthers.

Some people are so uncomfortable in their bodies that they call themselves trans to explain this discomfort to the wider world. This doesn't mean we need a signifier for everyone else.

Yes, @thebewilderness - well said.

I'm not hostile towards anyone - personally, I'm a "live and let live" hippy dippy type, generally. But misogynists trying to force me into a box are given short shrift.

I don't know what people were saying about the term "heterosexual" half a century ago, but something tells me the discussions probably went along the same lines.

Can you not?
This is in NO way the same.
In what way is heterosexual anything other than an accurate description of a form of sexual attraction? Cis is not an accurate description of me as a woman in any way.

Putting gender critical people in a camp with ilk of homophobes (which I’m sure was your implication) is down right rotten and shows you have not the foggiest what this debate is about.

Aw the CIS building. I have fond memories of that.

bewilderness?

Do you have those laws memorised?

I know you have a list, ive seen it and its excellent

But do you know it off by heart

(Say yes...I dont want to know if you've copied and pasted it )

It’s on my official list of Words and Phrases Which Don’t Mean Anything™️

See also transmisogyny (wtf), transphobia when used to mean ‘anyone who doesn’t agree that men can be women and vv’, innate sense of womanhood, misgendering and yes, transgender itself.

All complete bobbins with no bearing on anything real. I used to be very live and let live about the whole thing but I’ve decided now that unless you’ve had the surgery and hormones, or at least intend to (in which case you have severe dysphoria and out of respect for your illness I’ll call you Transexual and use your chosen pronouns) then all you get to call yourself is a gender non conforming person. Which most people are to some degree. See, no new nonsense words needed at all.

I'm not sure I 'agree' with my 'sex assigned at birth" rubbish either.

I am a woman. I don't agree with it because that implies I have considered it and other options, but I never have. I am just a woman.

Jaycee that made me giggle I've known a few CIS-women and men, it's a big building the CIS Manchester, loads of people work there.

Fifty years ago doctors, politicians, and religious organizations, were arguing that heterosexual was the only legal orientation. Then we changed the laws.
What is your point?

I hate cis unless I am describing isomers.

Sometimes I copy pasta the ones I do not write as often as others.
These are the ones I see expressed most often, along with #3 which is Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
The list has been more than ten years in the observing and documenting so I rarely have to check my syntax. Thanks for asking! Rufus.

Just being nosy

I do wait for your posts

Elegantly put @LangCleg.

Also, wouldn't the actvists be better off referencing the birth certificate or call it 'legal interpretation' of sex or something? Most people I know don't wait to have their children's sex 'assigned' at birth but have it 'assigned' (observed/noted/declared/revealed) at the 20w scan or, these days, with a 'gender reveal' balloon in a box / cake etc. Imagine children in future being encouraged to sue parents/ midwives/ bakers/ party shops etc. for misgendering them before they were even born. Margaret Atwood needs to write a new dystopia; it's getting crazier than she ever imagined.

See: Cisalpine Gaul, for example. I don't think Gaul felt it was 'identifying with its assigned sex'.

The word 'cis' is creeping into protocols and procedures very quietly already. I suspect any documentation about trans matters will define you as cis either now or soon.

Those would be the same professional folks that defined us as hysterical, eh?

Why have I never heard a man being referred to as cis? It's always us women. If you want people to use your preferred pronouns then bloody call me by mine. I am a woman and the word cis can fuck off.

This, from. <a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=trannosphere.tumblr.com" target="_blank">https://trannosphere.tumblr.com sums it up beautifully.

Women are not cis.
The implication that we are happy with and complicit in our own oppression is foul.

To say that we are cis because our 'gender agrees with our assigned sex' makes some huge and largely false assumptions. I've yet to meet a woman who wholeheartedly embraces all the stereotypes that make up the nonsense notion of the feminine gender. They can get to fuck assuming that I endorse them in any way.

It is bizarre to be referred to as a thing we have been criticized all our lives for rejecting.

Is cis a term used beyond Twitter (and GF/naive/*innocent face posts on MN)? Personally, I've not seen or heard of it elsewhere.

Private

As someone said it is creeping into a lot of work and official protocols. I work with a large NHS trust as a client and they use it often, although I have yet to see evidence of it making its way into their official written protocols and procedures. I assume it won’t be long judging by their use in everyday language on the phone, in email and in person.

@CircleSquareCircleSquare: "Can you not? This is in NO way the same."

It's exactly the same. The fact that you can't see that speaks volumes. Just because you and a few loud others around here seem to think otherwise, it doesn't make it so at all.

Your argument is exactly like people who used to use "coloured" and "normal" about people.

Cisgender-woman and proud of it.

I've taken this gently, and logically in conversations (note that I think gender is an oppressive hierarchy, not an innate thing - but I am arguing from within a genderist's frame of reference).

If, as is suggested by the genderists, gender is a spectrum then dividing it into 2 makes no sense - surely one is not 'trans' or 'cis' but some part of each. Given that things generally distribute along a bell curve, one could reasonably assume that most people are somewhere in the middle, and some people are right at the trans end, and some people are right at the cis end - so the question now becomes, where do you draw your arbitrary line to split the two and decide what to label people as.

I'd suggest that there's only one sensible choice here, that the lines go right towards the ends of the curve for cis/trans - and that everyone in the middle gets something else - because they are a mix of the two, and forcing a label on someone both impact's their right to self-define, is gender-normative thinking, and could 'out' someone if they have to explain why they're not 'cis'

It seems to me that we need a word for the vast majority of people in the middle of the spectrum. (and at this point I obviously mean 'woman' or 'man' without a descriptor)

I am not 'cis'. I am a woman.