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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Radio X have released a list of the top 100 British artists.

100 replies

Fitzsimmons · 04/04/2018 09:11

charts.radiox.co.uk/2018/

There's a common theme...

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Ereshkigal · 04/04/2018 09:15

Wow. Who are Radio X? Manly Radio?

Stilettosandan0venglove · 04/04/2018 09:19

Radio XY?

MothQuandary · 04/04/2018 09:20

It’s not top 100 artists, it’s top 100 songs but your point still stands. Radio X is exclusively “rock and guitar-based music” which I guess would exclude Kate Bush and a lot of other female artists but they could still have.. er... Elastica?

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 04/04/2018 09:20

I fucking hate this.

Women get so easily erased from music.

I was into grunge in the 90s and there were loads of great, angry all or mainly female bands in that scene. (L7 and the tampon anyone?)

But reading stuff on it now they are either not mentioned at all or they are a little seperate footnote as a sort of "awww look at what the fluffy wuffy laydeez did back then, aren't they clever?".

So much great female music.
So little mention of it.

RedToothBrush · 04/04/2018 09:21

Yes they are manly radio.

They were xfm but they decide to rebrand as radio x which is for men.

The decision alienated a lot. Especially in Manchester as they go rid of quite a few of the northern DJs.

I used to love xfm. I listened to it because it didn't have annoying djs like Chris Moyles. So they recruited.... Chris Moyles.

niceberg · 04/04/2018 09:21

Radio XY 😂😂😂

Be interesting to see a breakdown of voters by sex.

MothQuandary · 04/04/2018 09:22

Of course - The Pretenders! Most of the guitar rock bands I can think of are American.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 04/04/2018 09:23

Radio X is insipid compared to the music I listen to though Grin

It's sort of indie/rock but mainly mainstream.

You ain't gonna get any black metal or punk on it that's for sure.

(ironically the hardcore punk scene is actually rather more balanced in terms of sex than mainstream rock)

MothQuandary · 04/04/2018 09:27

Yes, Lana, I thought of The Slits and X-Ray Spex but they don’t really qualify. I am honestly struggling to think of female artists and bands that do qualify.

Stilettosandan0venglove · 04/04/2018 09:33

Garbage (too American?), Sleeper, Republica, Catatonia. And if they've got Bowie, they can have Kate Bush!

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 04/04/2018 09:39

If there's Bowie there can def be Kate Bush ffs.

And totally X ray Specs and the Slits....but even that's probably a bit too hardcore for Radio XY (ironically!)

Girlschool?
Siouxie and the Banshees?

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 04/04/2018 09:40

Skunk Anansie
The Cranberries

DragonsAndCakes · 04/04/2018 10:27

I assumed Garbage were Scottish, but I see it’s just the singer. Off on a tangent...

GrooovyLass · 04/04/2018 10:29

I stopped listening to it when it was rebranded and nationalised too. For any that used to listen to Xfm Manchester though: Clint Boon now does his afternoon show on XS and it's virtually identical to what he did on Xfm.

You could have Elastica, Sleeper, Republica, Garbage (Shirley Manson is Scottish), Catatonia, Portishead - can you tell I'm a 90s girl?

GrooovyLass · 04/04/2018 10:33

I've just looked at the list and as far as I can see out of 100 songs from about 80 or 90 bands there is only one woman on the whole list: Candida Doyle, the keyboard player from Pulp. How depressing.

GoodyMog · 04/04/2018 10:41

This is why I tend to not listen to rock radio stations, easier to make my own playlists and listen to something other than angry white men.

Radio X should at least have an easier job than a station like Kerrang as the genres they play include more women - though you wouldn't know it looking at that list.

Sleeper, Lush, Elastica, Garbage, Cardigans, Republica, Hole, Kenickie, Le Tigre, Skunk Anansie, Catatonia, Echobelly, NoDoubt, Elastica, Bjork, Blondie...

I wish there was a radio station that just played women only/women led bands. That would be amazing.

noeffingidea · 04/04/2018 10:48

Its what the listeners have voted for. Did any of you vote?
Music is a matter of individual taste. I like a lot of these songs, but the fact that Bohemian raphsody is number 2 indicates that this station would probably not be relevant to me.

GrooovyLass · 04/04/2018 11:02

Apologies, two women. Didn't see New Order. Two female keyboard players amongst all that testosterone.

beguilingeyes · 04/04/2018 11:03

Women are totally sidelined/overlooked in music history. Or all put in the same basket as if all women musicians fundamentally do the same thing.

I have a friend who's a singer. Her first hit was a ballad, so ever after all the record companies wanted her to do was look pretty and sing ballads.

If Joni Mitchell was a man she'd be lionised like Dylan.

GoodyMog · 04/04/2018 11:10

Its what the listeners have voted for. Did any of you vote?

Given that these stations predominantly play male musicians it's not surprising that the listeners have then voted for male musicians, maybe if they put the (minimal) effort in to play female musicians then the voting would be different.

noeffingidea · 04/04/2018 11:16

If Joni Mitchell was a man she'd be lionised like Bob Dylan
She is lionised by her fan base and is very well respected within the music business. For example, Prince cited her as one of his main influences. Her songs aren't covered as much as Dylan's though, perhaps that is a factor.
This list is meaningless. In 1999/2000 Robbie Williams was voted the artist of the millenium on channel 4. I don't think people took too much notice of that, and they won't take any notice of this either.
Musicians (both male and female) aren't really motivated by polls.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 04/04/2018 11:19

Wow, that's a shit list, although there are some good things on it, it seems heavily weighted towards 90s Manchester bands and their 60s influences.

noeffingidea · 04/04/2018 11:20

GoodyMog well exactly. If thats what their listeners want then they're not going to change, are they?
People that prefer female artists are going to find a station thats more relevant to them, or make up their own play lists.

RedToothBrush · 04/04/2018 11:34

This is a radio station pitched at men. Why would they put in any minimal effort to play female musicians?

This is what upset me when they rebranded. They decided that the female market and listenership were unimportant and were not part of the culture of this type of music.

I have always been very much a part of the scene. I used to go to lot of gigs. Over the years I've been to hundreds and hundreds. The crowds were always dominated by men and the artists who were most successful tended to reflect that.

I struggled in my late teens and early twenties with this. Women who went to multiple gigs were regarded as 'groupie' whose interest in seeing bands was based on sexual attraction. It was a particular problem if you did get lucky enough to go back stage and as such I was never particularly comfortable in this situation because of the prevailing attitude. I also was left with a feeling that women didn't 'look right' on stage. They didn't have the same stage presence.

Reflecting back, a lot of it was to do with sexist attitudes within the industry and the opportunities that women were given.

This list is a retrospective look back to the past at how there were fewer female artists who were given those opportunities in the past, were less successful because of who bought music, how now the history of music is written and by whom and by who radio stations which play rock music is pitched at. It basically institutional and I don't think you can look at in any way that's different.

'Women's music' is always regarded by the industry as pop. There are lots of radio stations that are pitched in this way and this market. Radio X was part of that decision by the stations owners to attract advertisers by creating distinct radio stations which were deliberately gendered. It was a conscious decision to do it and they were unapologetic about it. Men in their 20s and 30s are the most lucrative market for advertising space and this is what the owners were chasing: higher revenue.

For someone who loved XFM because it put music and the listeners before advertising considerations I find it very depressing. I was always a minority in the audience, and the rebranding of Radio X marginalised me further.

At the same time, I also understand that the radio sector is struggling financially to make ends meet and continue to run as a viable business. Though in the case of XFM they had consistently had high listener figures. The owners just thought by gendering the station and broadening its playlist to be more popular rather than niche (which a lot of female artists would fall under) would bring in even more listeners. And the decision to do this, has indeed actually achieved higher listener figures.

At the expense of women.

ShackUp · 04/04/2018 11:45

I get fucked off with this.

I hate how 'white men with guitars' dominate any list of 'best' music.

Liam Gallagher recently said something like, 'The Jam, Stone Roses, Beatles, Stones, Bowie, that's my record collection done'.

Horrendously racist and sexist, and unsurprisingly common amongst music 'fans'.