Radio X have released a list of the top 100 British artists.

[Fitzsimmons]

charts.radiox.co.uk/2018/

There's a common theme...

I have seen Oasis many many times. Over the years the audience changed. Once upon a time it was fun, but the crowds got increasingly boorish and really rather anti-social just before they split. I can't say the last couple of occasions were terribly pleasant as a result. I did eventually stop going because they were attracting that type of crowd.

The stereotype used on this thread, unfortunately does have a certain amount of truth to it in my honest opinion. And I did know a lot of oasis fans who were far from that.

Oasis were selling a huge amount of tickets right until they split, and were about a certain culture rather than the music by the end. The whole relaunch of the station was pitched at that rather than at the music.

Its why I felt so depressed by it, because it was so sexist.

Chris Moyles was just the icing on the shitcake that is Radio X and was about recapturing that era.

I wish I could say differently.

The culture you're referring to red is exactly why I preferred blur.

I didn't know it then but I did pick up on the elements of sexism around some of the Oasis lot.

Many were simply music obsessed, oasis being an obsession.

The entire list reads (bar Bowie) exactly like the play lists of all the men (boys!) I knew at university circa 1995. The majority moved on pretty quickly, and then it did feel like Oasis lovers were of the crowd you describe.

I've never forgotten the eerie palpable anger of the men at an R.E.M. concert where Oasis were supposed to be playing but cancelled and Belly came on. (Can't remember if they were supposed to be there anyway). I did feel quite taken aback by it.

"Who told "women" that? Or do you mean some idiots on a discussion board told you? And that then justifies your sweeping generalisation? "

You have literally zero idea what you are talking about and obviosuly haven't read either of the links I have posted.

Seeing as you have literally no idea what you're talking about, I'm not sure why you're trying to have a conversation about it.

ZERF I was 16 in 1990 and remember it all well Oasis as far as I could see were the sort of crossover that led the mainstream into the places where the alternative types had been for years and it was a very different vibe, all the indie / goth / metal / crossover dance hiphop things were suddenly hosting these very laddy, pissed up blokes who had a different attitude to the scene and the girls (from my experience) to the people we were used to. I liked (and still like) some of their songs but overall, not so much. Lots of DH friends are into Oasis and they were more dance/casual type scene - we went to totally different places growing up and wouldn't have mixed in the same circles at all.

Same as happened with the radio station I think - it started out very much about the music / alternative boys and girls doing their thing together and then it gets switched over to this very different "lads" vibe which in the case of the radio station explicitly said "not for girls".

The good thing is round where I live there are some discos for old school alternative types and they are the most excellent fun

Agree re Damon - I always loved Blur and still do. Oasis - different fanbase IMO and IME. Droopy indie boys, more than fighty drunkmen.

LassWi Radio X told women that when they rebranded as a "male orientated" station.

So what if they did? Is this the only radio station in the world?

Still doesnt justify the nonsense that Liam Gallagher's record collection means he is racist and sexist or the sexist and ageist comments. Or shock/horror the listeners of a radio station voted for their favourite songs and they aren't songs posters on FWR like.

No Dukes I didn't read your links - after your earlier comment I have little interest in what you have to say.

There are loads of ways of discovering new and interesting music by women if that is what you want.

Isn't just about everything that's ever been recorded available online now anyway? Who needs radio, and who needs their favourite artists / musicians to be popular with the mainstream?

Lass, xfm did a lot of stuff out if Manchester that was specific to manchester. When they rebranded they stop virtually all of that. In turns of radio stations which played indie music there were no alternatives which we not DAB based.

So for me there was no alternative which provided that service. So yes it was the only radio station that played the music I liked and had that local connection.

Instead I got a watered down version, from london that was laddish culture.

I too was affronted and alienated by the bullshit Zoo/Nuts-esque rebrand. I never liked Chris Moyles so that was a real kicker too! I tried to keep listening, but he was such an arrogant prick about it. Telling loyal listeners to fuck off if they didn't like it. So disrespectful.

I'd love a radio station in the west midlands that plays punk, rock and indie music. Any suggestions anyone? I've moved on to podcasts and downloading spotify playslists.

A station that was once intended for everyone, but is now aimed squarely at men - and has been explicit about that.

It has achieved this by narrowing the music it plays to primarily that produced by white men, therefore not introducing it's listeners to anything outside a very small range, has then somehow (conveniently) produced a "best of" list that only features white men.

There are other ways to access music by women, but the point is that we shouldn't have to go out of our way to do so, just because the very few rock stations that exist have made a conscious decision to treat white men as the default listeners of rock.

And while the elitist in me does kind of want to say "fuck the mainstream" it does matter that women aren't being represented in mainstream rock, because it cuts them off from potential fans and therefore potential opportunities and funding.

You think it's OK to tell people how they should or shouldn't feel about what was a very emotive subject amongst certain groups of people,

even though you are not interested in finding out who those people were, what happened, why it was an emotive subject, or anything about it...

Seriously? That's pretty arrogant isn't it?

Lass - were you aware of the rebrand at the time or since? Because you seem like you're talking out your arse. It was explicitly 'not for women'.

Sorry that was to Lass, more posts in between!

I dont expect the station to play what people on Fwr like. But I do think that music is gendered is an issue relevant to fwr.

I do think that the way in which female listeners were deliberately marginalised to attract advertising revenue is important.

And I do think how radio x pandered to this rather toxic stereotype of what men who like this particular type of music should be like.

The interesting thing was it wasn't just me who pissed off at this. DH felt equally aggrieved at being reduced to that caricature. He felt patronising and rather belittled by how reductive it was.

I want to say hi to my formerly XFM loving ladies on this thread. Funny how I still can get angry about what they did with that rebrand.

Red Exactly. Sure we could all say, "I'm ok, I've set up a spotify playlist" but it's about more than that.

Just going to leave this here, as pp mentioned them earlier.

Sorry, as you were not sorry

I still get angry at it. Dh is worse.

The way the station treated some of its staff was utterly appalling too. They were professional to the last, which I deeply admire under the circumstances. Some had about a weeks notice if I remember correctly.

noeffingidea
Isn't just about everything that's ever been recorded available online now anyway? Who needs radio, and who needs their favourite artists / musicians to be popular with the mainstream?

Yes. I don't use a streaming service but don't they offer if you liked this- you will like that options?

I'm struggling to see the need for such outrage because listeners of a radio station voted for their favourite songs.

BBC6 Music was in danger of being axed because no one listens to it- yet it would seem to be a much better fit for the posters complaining about this station.

As for women not being welcomed by rock music or rock fans the fan forums of bands like Foo Fighters, Queens of the Stone Age and Eagles of Death Metal don't bear that out (least ways last time I looked)

Lass - were you aware of the rebrand at the time or since? Because you seem like you're talking out your arse. It was explicitly 'not for women'

I don't listen to mainstream, commercial radio. Never did. Not how I go about finding music I like.

I'm struggling to see the need for such outrage because listeners of a radio station voted for their favourite songs.

It's about the bigger picture and how representative this is of rock music in general.

RedToothBrush my DH was a bit gobsmacked as well.

It was really nastily done and a real kick in the teeth for women who had been listening for years.

Hi Blockbuster!!! I'm still angry too.

Anyone still go and see bands or anything? I stayed indoors more or less for about 10 years, having kids really knocked the stuffing out of me. Have started going out again, last year saw beck (brilliant entertainer I think he is famous for it), Pixies (one of my favourites when I was young, sadly they were rubbish), going to see the breeders later this year! I really want to take the kids to a family friendly festival, DH is unsure - he's more casual/dance types (writing that makes me feel weirdly young and tribal!) he's somehow never managed to go to a festival and camp (!) and he frets about the toilets, which actually is fair at our age!

I think a lot of the old bands are still touring, friend went to see PWEI couple of years back said they were great.

Radio X is a national commercial radio station targeted at men. It has male presenters and plays guitar based rock music, which is mainly made by male artists. Its list of best songs or artists will obviously reflect its audience and target market.

Heart is a national commercial radio station targeted at women. It has female and male presenters and plays mainstream chart pop, soul and r n b music. It features many female artists, because that’s what its audience want to listen to. Its list of best songs or artists will obviously reflect its audience and target market.

Tbf when I saw Blur at Hyde Park, men were throwing cans of piss around. So Blur aren't totally immune to boorishness.

Oh yes let's do that!

Not british but KIIIMMMMMMMMMMM