Youtube have taken down list of crimes committed by transwomen on the grounds it's hate speech.

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Far more men than escalators kill and harm women. Which is why self-id of biological sex enabling unquestioned entry into the safe single sex spaces society has created is such a huge problem. Making this argument is not bigotry it is basic feminism.

But trans people are not more violent than other men. That list really does make it seem like she is arguing that they are all dangerous.

Studies conducted so far show a male crime rate over all offences and not a female one. Transition doesn't appear to change that.

However, if you take the trans umbrella definition of trans (the one that includes cross dressers with no dysphoria) then trans males are more likely to commit sexual offences than other men. 50% of trans males in prison are sex offenders compared to about 10% of the non trans male prison population. Cross dressing is the most common paraphilia among sex offenders.

This is one of the most important reasons I'm keen to support dysphoric transsexuals who oppose the TRA agenda organising together so they can separate themselves from these lists of "trans criminals".

There are distinct populations here. One of them has the potential to build solidarity with feminists and find a mutually acceptable way forward. The other never will.

So if you include TW in female sex crime stats, there is no way to say whether women are doing it more or not.

Certainly the papers picked the recent stats up to support the idea that"women do it too" and the mra follow up with "it's a peolet problem not a men problem" and then we struggle even more to #nametheproblem.

This is not trivial, it affects societal views, funding for research and so on.

This is a peculiar article. It appears to be about how crimes by female sex offenders are underestimated, but it leads with the story of a trans-identified male. At the time I wondered if it was hinting at something.

The comment from Lees re being scared of escalators...around 30 people per year are killed in escalator related incidents. Over 1600 women were killed by men in one year (both US stats) Trans women are similar to men in terms of crime commited. I think an appalling comment for Lees to make, and only serves to highlight male socialization that he is able to make a joke of this fear.

Sorry don't know how to @...but that lisa hauxwell story. I remember in the local press at the time they stated that they were looking for a female sex offender who now could be disguised/presenting as a male. What a joke. It is a man pretending to be a woman, who when on the run, changed presentation back to man in order to evade arrest.

There's been so many stories over the last year or so that just do not add up on face value. Lauren Jeska comes to mind. That was reported as a female crime also.

Although I don't agree with the censorship it was obviously down because it was put up to incite hatred. As another poster put it's the same as a video saying -100 crimes committed by gay/lesbian/black/white/Asian. Pointless and hateful.

The comment from Lees re being scared of escalators...around 30 people per year are killed in escalator related incidents. Over 1600 women were killed by men in one year (both US stats) Trans women are similar to men in terms of crime commited.

Also no one is trying to take away my legal right to choose not to get into an escalator if I don't want to.

Would you say the same about Karen Ingala Smith's listing of women killed by men?

Why should someone's gender identity prevent women from naming male violence? Particularly in relation to a proposed legal change that would increase women's vulnerability to it?

How is that inciting hatred?

@Wine I would say the same thing but I think it's worse for even smaller minority's who are always being attacked because it's blatantly there to incite hatred which is less obvious with the women thing although I'm sure there's an aspect of that too. But again I don't agree with it being taken down.

I'm not at all persuaded by the argument that it was put up to incite hatred.

Endlessly. those who are debating safe spaces, the right to identify women as adult human females distinct from 'everyone else who wants to pile into the category' are challenged to provide proof that the 'everyone else who feel like women' aren't the same as adult human females, particularly in offending rates.

Peachy has done this with this video. She put it out there, as an answer to those challenges.

There is a very specific theme to the crimes listed - sexual and/or violent. This is not like most adult human female crimes.

I would challenge anyone to come up with a video quite so damning of female violence + sexual element (and I mean that as adult human females, not self-identifying males who feel like women - what tf has this world come to where I have to really spell this out each time).

In the current context of debate, she has done exactly what is requested by so many TRAs. Provided proof that actually, there's a lot of standard male violence patterns exhibited in those who identify under the umbrella term of 'woman' when their chromosomes and socialisation tell otherwise.

And then she's shut down.

And accused of inciting hatred.

The people who committed these crimes, listed by public news agencies, are those who convince us that something's not right at the moment. That something needs to change in the way we view things.

Not Peachy.

By turning the mirror on those who committed the crimes, Peachy is not inciting hatred.

She's showing you what's happening.

We should listen.

To be fair it’s a bit of a stupid meaningless list. You could print 100 crimes committed by any demographic but it doesn’t mean all of them commit crimes does it?

It's not meaningless when you claim to be part of a tiny, so very tiny, so very very very tiny that it doesn't even matter and risks no threat and anyway transwomen never do those things anyway. Yes it has meaning.

IN general to the OP though, WTF. Youtube is a swarming sea of hate, I have seen perverts posting to children on kids' video comments. Racist videos, holocaust denial, "WTC was an inside job, perpetrated by the Jews" videos are all A O fucking K but actual lists are hate speech?

Well exactly, she was asked for proof. And when proof is provided, they try to shut it down. Just like the tran crime uk site was shut down for a while, or the this never happens. They demand proof, and when given, demand it is removed for hate speech reasons. So you cannot win. Its a very abusive tactic in my opinion. Show me proof? You're proof is a hate crime get it deleted.

I didn't actually see the one by Peachy, but I assumed it was the same as 'this never happens'?

Those sites and statistics weren't started for no reason. It was because, originally, transactivists vehemently claimed that transwomen followed female pattern violence. In which case, women's fears of predation were completely unfounded because 'that never happens'.

It was a response.

And a very useful one. Because one of the founding tenets of the trans-ideology is that separating people by gender identity is completely harmless.

I do sometimes see YouTube videos which, to my mind, veer into mockery and piss taking. (Although, it's generally far less critical than the behaviour aimed at women and/or feminists).

I don't agree with that brand of mockery, and certainly not publically. It's not necessary. But that doesn't mean I don't understand why people do it.

Credibility is key in this issue, and relentlessly taking the piss with an undercurrent of cruelty, undermines it.

I think the elephant in the room on the trans crime stats, is the study I read, adjusted for mental health issues - and mental health is a component in committing offences, so the study actually underplayed the risk from trans people.

Peachy is very direct, and happy to mock - my female socialisation cries out that it's too far, but she is replying to 'this never happens' and I wonder if it's any worse than the videos men make about women that stay up - I think it probably isn't. I can see why it was taken down though, and don't think it's a bad call.

I haven't seen the video.

I did notice something weird a couple of weeks back -

I was talking about DV with someone and wanted some stats - like Karen Ingala Smith's - and I googled "women murdered UK 2017" and pretty much all of the results on the first page were about trans women being murdered around the world.

What's that all about?

I know that google results can be manipulated if you know how and have time and resource - has this happened? It seemed very odd.

What angryresister said. I watched the video and understood the point PY was trying to make.

Honestly, such a video is not needed as anyone with half a brain can see that male people retain male pattern violence. I am willing to accept that hormone treatment lowers the risk somewhat (mainly as I believe that testosterone is part of the reason men are so violent) however 'selfID' transwomen are simply male people who say that they are women. No transition, no nothing. So obviously male people do not stop being violent the second they utter 'I am a woman'

Also with sex offenses, 50% of transwomen in prison are for sex offenses, way above the usual male rate. Now, I think this is because crossdressers come under the trans label, and its a well known fact that that certain fetish is overrepresented with sex crimes...but again, its not feminists who linked crossdressers and transsexuals is it..its not feminists who insist that any tom dick or harry who simply says they are a woman is actually a woman.

Yes, I think it's in response to this idea that transwomen commit crime at the same rate as women, and that they are the ones in danger from 'rabid TERFs' therefore women have nothing to fear.

It's simply not true. Especially as the umbrella of 'trans' opens ever wider.

its not feminists who linked crossdressers and transsexuals is it

Exactly. It's not my fault that disordered males who are an increased risk to women decided to include themselves under the trans umbrella and hijack the movement. It's not the fault of transsexuals either. Children and transsexuals are being used as human shields for a men's sexual rights movement intent on obliterating consent, women's protections and the safeguarding of children.

I'm not going to pretend otherwise because activists say it's mean to point out that there is increased risk from a specific demographic within the trans umbrella definition of the trans population.

Honestly, such a video is not needed as anyone with half a brain can see that male people retain male pattern violence

How will this continue to be the case if the media report all TW crime as female crime? It will be lost, purposefully obfuscated and not only will we lose proof of the crime committed against us, we will also appear to be becoming more criminal which will then lower the difference between female and male crime stats feeding the MRA conspiracy.

Rightfully the police should be recording crime by birth sex of the perpetrator (when the perpetrator is known) and adding gender identity where applicable, but we know that they're not doing this. By going along with the concept of gender identity erasing birth sex they are knowingly contributing to flawed data which prevents our ability to manage and mitigate risk. When institutions cannot be trusted, interest groups step up to fill the void - hence this video performing an important service no matter how much you may disagree with the tone.