Paris Lees latest bit of misogyny

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Tells women we just need to work on our irrational fear of male violence

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The male privilege just shines through with this one.

Though it’s about what you’d expect from someone who said they love being cat called and treated like a piece of meat.

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lol @ 'no evidence for this'.

to people really believe this shit?

'I put on a dress so now I'm no longer a violent bloke'

Lots of people do believe it. That's the problem.

All those in the comments pretending the need isn’t FULL of stories about men who have ‘dressed as women’ to get into toilets or changing rooms. It’s fucking everywhere.

‘No one would ever do this, but I’m going to concern troll you anyway to really patronise you’

Yeah you’re right. No human would go to such lengths. Ever. We’re being sooooo unreasonable.

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Trying to engage with someone on there who is arguing that what ‘you don’t seem to understand is the lengths people have to go to to prove they’re transgender’. This is the difficulty - what Paris is saying sounds reasonable, if you believe that the issue feminists have is being irrationally scared of transgender people, which is a massive straw man.

That’s the point though isn’t it? We’re not talking about the people who ARE transgender, we’re talking about the people who are PRETENDING. it’s all well and good that the ‘legit’ ones have their GRCs and live their ‘quiet lives’, but when do we get to be worried about men that would take advantage of changes to the GRA? How many crimes have to be committed before we’re taken seriously?

"We’re not talking about the people who ARE transgender, we’re talking about the people who are PRETENDING."

Eh? Whether a person is or is not 'pretending' is not really the point. A full-time 100% committed transgender person is no different to any other biological male, it really doesn't impact on their likelihood to be violent or abusive.

It's no different to 'not all men'. To the extent that many men are violent rapists, so to are many transwomen. It's no different.

agender I agree with you, I was just making a point that they say ‘people aren’t going to pretend to be trans just to do xyz’ When it’s kind of irrelevant; there are plenty of men who WOULD take advantage of the GRA to do bad things.

Not sure why pure arguing with me, I’m on your side, I want female only spaces

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Oh fuck off and spend your time educating men not to beat up feminine-presenting men in men's spaces, Paris. When escalators kill two women a week in the UK, we can talk. Until then, take your male self and lecture other males.

Transgender people afraid of male violence = legitimate fear. Must not have to share bathrooms with males, this must be enshrined in law.

Women afraid of male violence = irrational fear. Must be forced to share bathrooms with males, this must be enshrined in law.

Some TIMs can be dangerous. My favourite example of ludicrous reporting was the Derby case of a 'woman who may be dressed as a man'. That 'woman' was Lisa/Craig Hauxwell, a sometimes-female-identifying male who had raped two teenage girls. www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/transgender-rapist-is-arrested-1-8428147

I was just going to make Popchyk's point, which is exactly right. When transgender people are frightened of men, that's completely reasonable. When women are frightened of men, that's just being silly. No logic at all.

I think the problem (for women) is the trans umbrella. Now that has been expanded to include everyone and his er, spouse, we do have a problem. 50% of the TIMs in prison are sex offenders, compared to 10-12% of other male prisoners. Cross-dressing is the most common paraphilia among sex offenders. So, under the trans umbrella parameters, I'm afraid TIMs do actually pose increased risk to women compared to other men.

It's not the fault of women that the TRAs expanded the definition of trans to include males who are an increased risk to women. It's not the fault of dysphoric transsexuals either. But we are where we are.

Paris can spout MRA rhetoric as much as Paris likes. It won't change the facts on the ground. And it won't stop women pointing out the facts either.

I think the problem (for women) is the trans umbrella. Now that has been expanded to include everyone and his er, spouse, we do have a problem. 50% of the TIMs in prison are sex offenders, compared to 10-12% of other male prisoners. Cross-dressing is the most common paraphilia among sex offenders. So, under the trans umbrella parameters, I'm afraid TIMs do actually pose increased risk to women compared to other men.

I agree. This is the elephant in the room.

I'm on that twitter feed, being told that transwomen also face attack and rape. Tried arguing but brickwall is very big, impenetrable in fact. Anyone got a link that identifies all transgender criminals?

This is the elephant in the room.

My question is this: how do we put the genie back in the bottle? Because unless we can separate out these populations, I will have to support women's rights and the safeguarding of children and throw dysphoric transsexuals under the bus.

I'd rather not do that but I will if I'm forced into a binary choice between the trans umbrella and women and children. I hope that we can see formal organising begin to happen among transsexuals that builds on the individual voices of people such as Debbie and Kristina and Miranda. And then we can start creating solidarity between lobby groups.

transcrimeuk.com/

I'd say that many of the supportive replies to Paris are framing the situation in the current GRC scenario. Self-ID changes the game really and it's clear that a lot of people don't realise that. E.g. the questions asking how they would know that they were in hospital with a transwoman.

I'd rather not do that but I will if I'm forced into a binary choice between the trans umbrella and women and children.

Me too.

Paris Lees doesn't give one shiny shite about women, or transwomen actually. Literally all they care about is passing, being seen as a woman and basking in the glory of that.

It's the same old:
Transwomen being scared of male violence is totally legitimate and we must change our laws for this.

Women being scared of male violence is to be publicly ridiculed.

Fuck off Paris.

Transgender people afraid of male violence = legitimate fear. Must not have to share bathrooms with males, this must be enshrined in law.

Women afraid of male violence = irrational fear. Must be forced to share bathrooms with males, this must be enshrined in law.

That’s it in a nutshell popchyk.

Particularly depressing to see the clueless handmaidens applauding Paris over this.

Male mocks women’s fear of violence.

Women fall into line and submit to his word.

This isn’t progress, it’s the patriarchy in its full oppressive glory.

I'd go further: male who actively enjoys sexual harassment by men mocks women's fear of violence.