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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

David Davies MP being investigated for allowing feminists to discuss proposed law changes at the House of Commons

72 replies

BloodyFreezing · 01/04/2018 10:59

thetimes.co.uk/article/95eea6aa-3524-11e8-8e3a-d639f3c4b43e

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hugoagogo · 01/04/2018 11:02

Stupid paywall.
I suppose there has been a complaint and they have to investigate.

OldCrone · 01/04/2018 11:29

Can someone with a subscription post a share token for this?
thetimes.co.uk/article/95eea6aa-3524-11e8-8e3a-d639f3c4b43e

rowdywoman1 · 01/04/2018 11:31

And if someone can share how to get a share token that would be helpful. The Times has a number of gender critical articles today.

Igneococcus · 01/04/2018 11:33

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-mp-faces-sinister-inquiry-mr36m6p3m?shareToken=d0d2fa979149aa0392a047d4729c37a1

Will write a comment in support but need to make lunch first.

OldCrone · 01/04/2018 11:35

Thanks Igneococcus and BetsyM00.

Lampage · 01/04/2018 11:35

This will backfire.

It is a perfectly legitimate debate and complaints and investigations will only highlight the pressures and harassment being faced by women who are trying to have their voices heard.

Igneococcus · 01/04/2018 11:39

rowdywoman

For me it depends what device I'm on. On PC and reading The Times on Firefox I just click on the envelop icon and it will open an email with the link+share token in the body. I then just copy and paste.
On my tablet (Android) with the app there is an icon that says "fetch weblink" and it gives a list of option from facebook to email.
On my phone (Android again) and the app it does not work. I get link but no share token.

BetsyM00 · 01/04/2018 11:44

Feels a bit like an April Fool's joke doesn't it?

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 01/04/2018 11:48

Good. This shit needs to be brought out into the cold light of day. The more the public see what's going on, the better

Threewheeler1 · 01/04/2018 11:50

Thanks Igneococcus for the link.
This is getting absolutely ridiculous. What possible grounds are there for investigation?
At least this highlights the scale of the attempt to silence women from engaging in reasonable debate about issues directly affecting them (and their children).
Well done David Davies for actually taking a stand. Makes him rather unique at the moment, considering the total lack of support for biological womens' rights from all political parties.

lunamoth581 · 01/04/2018 11:50

I'm confused. What the heck is he being investigated for? He hosted a meeting of feminists discussing proposed changes in law. How did that break any rules?

Bellatron · 01/04/2018 11:50

The woman on the newspaper review on Sky last night was openly expressing her opposition to the 'transwomen are women' notion. She was v v reasonable & explicitly said 'they're not'.
Her male opposite number tried the 'it's just like what happened wrt the gays' line on her & tried to shut her down, but she held her ground.

I was like this Shock
As I've never seen it before (which is shocking in itself).

I can't for the life of me remember her name - she's on those segments a lot though.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 01/04/2018 11:57

Is it this one Bella? Christina Patterson?

vimeo.com/262696686

rowdywoman1 · 01/04/2018 12:04

Igneococcus

Thank you:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-mp-faces-sinister-inquiry-mr36m6p3m?shareToken=e266402eaeeb37508d81366cdddaf7a4

(this silencing of free speech needs multiple shares) Grin

MargeH · 01/04/2018 12:11

Thanks for the Sky link. Well said, that woman.

And thanks to #transrightsarehumanrights for posting the clip so that those of us without Sky get a chance to see and share it Grin Wink

OldCrone · 01/04/2018 12:13

Just watched that Christina Patterson clip. Telling it like it is, and refusing to be shouted down by the man.
'I could declare myself to be a unicorn. I don't believe that what you declare yourself to be automatically means you are'.

Igneococcus · 01/04/2018 12:16

woohoo rowdywoman

AreYouTerfEnough · 01/04/2018 12:17

It’s good in a way as it demonstrates what women are up against just for trying to meet to discuss genuine concerns.

The GRA is one of the most ill thought out pieces of legislation ever. Putting half the population at risk just to accommodate da feelz is like something out of Idiocracy.

ReappearingWoman · 01/04/2018 12:24

Christina Patterson has said similar on the news paper review in the past - she gets it, she understands the issues & good on her to commit to finishing her point & not allow herself to be shut down.

She'll likely get a pile on over this but I'm glad she's said her piece.

HumphreyCobblers · 01/04/2018 12:28

I am hoping very much that this will prove to be an own goal, but I am scared it won't.

The outrageousness of investigating a group of women discussing proposed changes to a law that affects them SHOULD be apparent to all, but recent events might indicate otherwise.

Fingers crossed.

Pratchet · 01/04/2018 12:38

Christina Patterson has been a little bit unsung in all of this. She's done it before, and I can't think of any person who has, in TV or radio, said 'transwomen are not women'.

IntelligentYetIndecisive · 01/04/2018 13:01

The parliamentary commissioner for standards has launched an investigation into a Tory MP after he held an event with feminists who are opposed to planned transgender legislation.

David Davies, MP for Monmouth, called the inquiry “sinister” and “unbelievable” and said parliamentary rules were being “abused” by transgender activists to deny freedom of speech.

Members of the We Need To Talk group say potential legal changes allowing people born male to “self-identify” as women will threaten biological women’s spaces and rights.

Their meeting took place in parliament on March 14. Davies agreed to host them when Millwall football club, the original venue, cancelled after pressure from transgender lobbyists.

“This was a meeting with women who’ve got perfectly legitimate concerns about legislation the government has said it’s bringing forward,” Davies said.

“Of course they’ve got a right to discuss it in the legislature. There is an important principle of freedom of speech here.”

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I look forward to hearing the outcome of this ridiculous inquiry. If the HoC is gonna say that hosting feminist debates on issues that affect us is breaching parliamentary standards, I would really like to know how they intend to explain this kind of discrimination against women.

What I think will more likely be the case is that they have had a bunch of trans activists - who do not represent trans people it must be noted - calling to complain that this event was literally killing them, and that feminists want them dead. No, you read that right, lots of trans activists have tweeted that feminists discussing our sex based rights is literally and deliberately killing trans people.

Any inquiry will, hopefully, be dealing with the real world where biology is not bigotry, and where women do not need to reject the whole of science and our lived experiences in order to pretend that men can be women (a contention which is not necessary for trans identity, as the many gender critical trans people are testament to).

Trans women are trans women. They are not females and never can be. This is a meaningful difference. Women are a distinct class of people precisely because we have experiences that only women can have, and we are oppressed due to our bodies and live under a climate of male violence. Predatory trans women have done everything to women and girls that other predatory men have (most trans women remain fully male bodied and are given all the same rights of transsexuals) and predators don't come with a warning, so it's around the male body that women are in danger and indeed need to manage this threat, however they identify.

So we deserve our own spaces, services, initiatives etc, and we have the right to freedom of speech and to organise as a class to address our rights. And we will not submit the abusive tactics of males who would silence us. Hopefully the HoC won't either.

And

Well done David Davies for hosting this event. This sinister legislation is being allowed to pass under the radar of public scrutiny. Legitimate objections should be aired, and more importantly, publicised.

The ramifications of allowing men to 'self declare' they are women are enormous and potentially disastrous for women on so many levels - personal safety, career equality, legal status are just the tip of the iceberg.

Commentators are not credited because more people are reading this than the Times article behind a paywall.

Bellatron · 01/04/2018 13:04

@AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth
Yes!
It wasn't a rant imo (as claimed by the TRA link, unsurprisingly) - she was direct is all.

BoreOfWhabylon · 01/04/2018 13:08

Baroness Deech this morning on Radio 4 Sunday programme went on a little rant when they were reviewing items of news. A piece about genetically engineered vegetarian 'meat' caused her to make a comment about transgendered vegetables (ie not real veg). She also had a bit to say about no platforming and shutting down of free speech in universities, although she didn't relate this to the transgender debate but more generally.

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