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Ulster Rugby Rape Trial - Not guilty to all charges

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Quimby · 28/03/2018 12:35

Verdict just returned
Not guilty to all four accused, all unanimous decisions.

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Totallymyownperson · 01/04/2018 21:13

Maybe men have finally understood that women are so angry it's best not to say anything more to annoy us.
PJ family hiring an entire bar to celebrate - could be true it's probably where those photos of olding and Jackson were taken and put on Jackson's instagram

Bumblefuddle · 01/04/2018 21:16

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buckeejit · 01/04/2018 21:16

Thanks nottaken. that is depressing & yet not surprising.

Totallymyownperson · 01/04/2018 21:17

Isn't taking illegal drugs a sackable offence for sportsmen. If it is that's another reason to end their contracts. What are they gonna do deny they were going to buy drugs then they would be admitting purjery

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ZibbidooZibbidooZibbidoo · 01/04/2018 21:34

Had they admitted to buying drugs in court? I don’t remember any mention of that.

Surely PJs lawyer would have advised him not to Be posting anything on social media, particularly photos of him celebrating!! Hmm

Totallymyownperson · 01/04/2018 21:47

I presume PJ lawyer also advised him to sue for defamation to keep people quiet! Look what happened

fia101 · 01/04/2018 22:29

I want the males I know to say Ulster shouldn't take them back or they won't attend matches if they're playing - same with Irish rugby team.

PaulDacreRimsGeese · 01/04/2018 22:31

I wouldn't assume his lawyer advised him to sue for defamation at all. It's a high risk strategy, to say the least.

TempusFugitive · 01/04/2018 22:54

Just read that british clubs are looking to sign paddy jackson. Ffs.
I hope he is too shamed to touch. Hope sponsors would advise any team to avoid.

NotTakenUsername · 01/04/2018 23:00

Has it been a big story all throughout the uk? Or only Ireland?

ZibbidooZibbidooZibbidoo · 01/04/2018 23:00

That’s how Kevin winters (his solicitor firm) operates paul they are extremely aggressive (and very successful). When I heard KW were his solicitor I knew then and there he wouldn’t be convicted. Can pretty much guarantee the suggestion of suing O’riordain (and then the rest of the internet) came from KW.

Totallymyownperson · 01/04/2018 23:14

Not as big didn't see any front page headlines. I think he does have a chance of playing in England. The media would trash any campaign by women's groups to stop him. They are usually very right wing and anti female. But on the other hand I heard there's a I believe her rally in London soon. I hope it will be the biggest yet.

treaclesoda · 01/04/2018 23:21

Kevin Winters is so successful at defending people that the public think 'theres no way they'll get off with that' that people in Belfast joke that you could hire him if you were caught in the act of carrying out a murder, it was all on film and you boasted about it afterwards, and they could still get you off. That's how good their reputation for defence is.

NotTakenUsername · 01/04/2018 23:22

I like the thought of him having to play for anyone but Ulster, especially now he has thrown down the gauntlet and said nothing else will do.
Even if that is his only consequence for the misogyny displayed in the evidence that was made public, that would feel like a small victory for women.

treaclesoda · 01/04/2018 23:23

Sorry, I worded that clumsily!

ZibbidooZibbidooZibbidoo · 01/04/2018 23:29

Yep treacle, exactly that. If you did it, you need Kevin Winters. My father joked this evening that someone should pass his number to president trump.

dinosaurkisses · 02/04/2018 00:12

Apparently, PJ has been seeing the same girl on and off since before this incident occurred.

So similarly to Ched Evans, a girl who he was supposed to be in a monogamous relationship with has stood by him after he has humiliated her by cheating at the very least, and at most is a rapist who has caused an injury to his victim.

What kind of messages are young women getting when they don't feel that their fella being prosecuted for rape is maybe a clue that he's not someone you can see a steady long term future with?

Imagine introducing your new work colleagues to your husband Paddy, and everyone making the link with your married surname and looking at each other like "....THAT Paddy Jackson....?". Or even your kids Googling their dad's name and seeing results pop up linking him to a serious sexual assault and cringeworthy text messages. And what parent would send their kids on a sleepover after hearing that their wee chum's dad was PJ?

He's not only wrecked his own reputation, but his family's and anyone who chooses to associate themselves with him in the future.

bkgirl · 02/04/2018 01:45

What do you think of this?

Ulster Rugby Rape Trial - Not guilty to all charges
PaulDacreRimsGeese · 02/04/2018 08:39

Being a bulldog criminal defence firm doesn't mean you also try and encourage clients into pursuing potentially damaging defamation cases. After all, generally speaking people who need a criminal lawyer are being forced into court proceedings, not choosing them!

If the firm did suggest this course of action and the idea came from them, they'd want to make sure they were very, very careful about documenting the risks inherent in potentially getting the case heard again on the balance of probabilities.

As a solicitor you have to record a note of your attendance and also send a letter confirming your advice to your client, and you're supposed to give an idea of the chances of success. If that were me, both of mine would be very carefully written indeed! If they don't and haven't, they're potentially opening themselves up to action from Jackson down the line. Which is fair enough: he may be a piece of shit but his solicitors should still be fulfilling their professional duties to their clients.

It is interesting how stupid some of these stand by your man types are too. At a minimum, the best spin you can put on this, is that the men are endangering the health of their partners by having unprotected multi-partner sessions which include people they've only just met and know nothing about. Evans and Jackson could easily have acquired STIs during their totes consensual condomless encounters. If they don't use condoms with strangers, odds are they're not doing so with their long term partners, so they could easily have passed anything on. The Ched Evans case was even weirder because his partner Natasha didn't even need him for the money! Her dad was richer than him!

PaulDacreRimsGeese · 02/04/2018 08:42

Oh and also, given that the victim in this case had a laceration to her vagina and was bleeding, if she were to be carrying any STIs that would potentially increase the risk of transmission to the men involved (diddums).

Ravenheart1 · 02/04/2018 09:40

What has been said by organisations representing women's rugby?
I wonder whether any journalist has contacted Ulster Rugby Club Girls team (under 18) or Ulster Rugby Club Women's team...
How can young women thrive in an environment and culture where key players are, according to their own messages. misogynistic and dehumanising to women?

Care to see your young teenage girl playing rugby for Ulster at the weekends?

buckeejit · 02/04/2018 09:54

ravenheart - I wondered about that too but not seen anything. I imagine UR have asked the women's/girls team not to comment.

Bkgirl that is so disgusting I can hardly believe it. Would like to know what club that was to have them named & shamed. Who in their right mind would think this is a joking matter ffs.

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