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Ulster Rugby Rape Trial - Not guilty to all charges

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Quimby · 28/03/2018 12:35

Verdict just returned
Not guilty to all four accused, all unanimous decisions.

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TempusFugitive · 30/03/2018 09:10

We need that level of misogyny to be the crime. I think there are crimes like incitement to racial hatred. Men should not be free to describe women they way those rugby players did and some 'men' every where still do.

lonelyatchristmas · 30/03/2018 09:15

#ibelieveher...
An absolute disgrace that they got off..
god forbid I get raped on a night out I think I'd be very slow to report it.. it kills me to say it but I probably would and I know I'm not the only one to think it...
certainly hope that the IRFU dont renew these scumbags contracts...

TempusFugitive · 30/03/2018 09:22

There is a gofundme for their ruined careers. Saw something on fb last night. Somebody had posted a screenshot, incredulous, with comment FUCK OFF

Angelsoul2k15uk · 30/03/2018 09:58

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NotTakenUsername · 30/03/2018 10:02

However I do not believe in this case it was rape, and the jury’s verdict supports my belief.

The jury’s verdict DOES NOT support your belief. The jury’s verdict supports the belief that there was not enough evidence to PROVE GUILT.

Two VERY different beliefs, make no mistake.

Ulster Rugby Rape Trial - Not guilty to all charges
WickedLazy · 30/03/2018 10:05

I took my ex to court for abh.

His barrister was fantastic, an absolute shark. He managed to discredit me as a witness, by calling my character into question. My ex is an alcoholic, and was drunk the night in question, all easily verified, but the shit solicitor the pps appointed me, didn't question his drinking at all, she asked him twice how much he'd drank, at different points, and he said 2 or 3 pints the first time, then slipped up and said 5 or 6 the next time (his face went beetroot when he realised what he'd said). And she didn't pick up on it! I was cross examined by his barrister about my drinking, for over 15 minutes. It was long, gruelling, and his barrister openly accused me multiple times of lying. I could have had 8 witness's and cctv footage to prove how little I drank that night, and what "state" I was in. How much I drank was such a non issue, I didn't think it would be mentioned beyond briefly, but it was a big focus. I was questioned in the dock for over 20 minutes longer than my attacker. His story didn't add up, and I was telling the truth 100%, but his barrister raised so many doubts, a not guilty verdict was given by the judge.

I've since been accused of lying, "oh that poor fella", etc. It sickens me. There's no justice in domestic violence or rape trials. Both generally result in a non guilty verdict (rape, 94% of cases are found not guilty. All those woman couldn't possibly be lying!)

I'm sick of this "not guilty must = didn'r happen" mentality.

TempusFugitive · 30/03/2018 10:05

The girl was praised by the police. Sounds like all involved know she was raped but the wording of the law lets women down.

What is another word for 3 or 4 men taking advantage of one drunk girl? The word is 'rape'. Or gang rape.

treaclesoda · 30/03/2018 10:06

I despise the term 'cries rape'. The very phase is intended to belittle the woman and cast doubt on the claim.

If I report a burglary I'm not 'crying burglary' even if someone goes to court and is acquitted.

Coercing someone into sex they don't want IS rape in my view. The problem is that the law doesn't seem to agree with me.

NotTakenUsername · 30/03/2018 10:08

I take comfort in the fact that even Angelsoul2k15uk recognises that their views are so repugnant a name change was needed before voicing them.
That’s something at least.

TempusFugitive · 30/03/2018 10:10

Wickedlazy. I hear you. Well done for facing him in court though. 🏆

MayFayner · 30/03/2018 10:10

So she has convinced herself that it was non-consensual to make herself feel better, and try to repair some of her reputation.

This is always the cry of the rape apologists, but it isn't a logical argument.

GreenSeededGrape · 30/03/2018 10:11

She has to deal with it and move on, she has just made it worse for herself

This comment is appalling.

You are another rape apoligist.

Saying she was taken advantage of but not raped. What the actual fuck. Angry

TempusFugitive · 30/03/2018 10:14

Exactly treaclesoda.

Angel should think about the fact that the girl didnt need to reflect. In the taxi on her way home she said she had been raped.

Why on earth you feel her statement that she was passed about like a piece of meat is incompatible with a gang rape is a baseless mystery.

Angelsoul2k15uk · 30/03/2018 10:17

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TempusFugitive · 30/03/2018 10:18

It is astonishing to read the lengths rape apologists will go to to blame women for men raping.

Far from making things worse for herself, i beleve that in the decades ahead, knowing she faced them in court and was brave enough and earned the respect of the police who made a statement to confirm their r3spect for her, having faced them in court will in time feed in to her self-efficacy. She was strong and brave and she did what she could in the crappy misogynist system that is in place.

TempusFugitive · 30/03/2018 10:20

Angel there is no connection at all. Something that once happened to somebody else. Right. Back to reality now. The police put their full weight behind this girl and supported her going to court.

WickedLazy · 30/03/2018 10:21

Sorry if it's been mentioned, but apparently she was bleeding so bad from the tear in her vaginal wall in the taxi, that the taxi driver got out at one point to inspect the damage.

fia101 · 30/03/2018 10:24

Are there any rallies planned in Belfast tomorrow?

WickedLazy · 30/03/2018 10:25

What does a man have to do, to tear your vaginal wall 1cm? They argued this was "normal" in court Hmm But then the accused completely denied any penetration accured? Even though the girl and the witness who stumbled in, both said otherwise. The girl alleged that her and Jackson were kissing, and he tried to remove her trousers, when she realised he didn't know her name. Jackson agreed with this part, but said that's where it ended. Yet all other evidence says otherwise?

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 30/03/2018 10:25

However I do not believe in this case it was rape, and the jury’s verdict supports my belief.

Yep...not how it works

so ignorance of a very basic understanding of law leads me to believe that the rest of your post is more than likely very ignorant as well

WickedLazy · 30/03/2018 10:26

Yes rally in Belfast tomorrow

m.facebook.com/ROSANorthernIreland/?notif_t=page_invite&notif_id=1522366574765471&ref=m_notif

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 30/03/2018 10:28

Well i know its ignorant

Angelsoul2k15uk · 30/03/2018 10:35

What if as a man. I had been raped by another man. Does that make my opinion based on the information any different. No
What if as a 19 year old man visiting my brother in London I was followed by two men into a tube station toilet and assaulted. Does that make your opinion of my opinion and different?
I just say it as I see it. I don’t live in a world of feeling sorry for oneself. I live in a world of actions and consequences. Bad things happen, not all against the law. Perhaps a moral law, but not a criminal.

winterwonderly · 30/03/2018 10:35

@Angelsoul2k15uk I know a lot of people disagree but given what information I know I feel the same as you. This is a complex case and it's obviously not a black and white situation which is one of the reasons it's caused so much division of opinion. She had a real fear that photos or videos had been taken, and if they had been they would have been very explicit and would have circulated quickly given who was involved. I don't think it's so hard to believe that after the event she felt humiliated, and that they took advantage of her. I strongly believe they did take advantage of her, but I'm not convinced it was rape.

NotTakenUsername · 30/03/2018 10:43

She had a real fear that photos or videos had been taken

That was a stroke of genius by the prosecution, wasn’t it? Hmm