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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Deptford People Project and the impact of self-ID and transactivism on working class women

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BloodyFreezing · 24/03/2018 23:15

Interesting interview with Lucy McDonagh, co-founder of the Deptford People Project in this article:

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/23/leftist-women-uk-refuse-accept-labours-attempts-silence-critiques-gender-identity/

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TransplantsArePlants · 10/06/2018 22:11

It's a common ply:

they say; I don't believe you; give me evidence. You give evidence - they ignore it

Still giving evidence helps the lurkers out there, IMO. As long as we can keep our tempers and not give them anything intemperate to screenshot

At some point it's not worth carrying on engaging though (if you do decide to engage) - for the sake of your blood pressure, if nothing else.

TransplantsArePlants · 10/06/2018 22:11

ploy, not ply

IdaBWells · 05/11/2018 03:35

The Feminist Current article at the top of this thread is excellent. This is exactly word for word the kind of article that needs to be run in the Guardian. However as we know the Guardian and Labour Party have moved far away from the grassroots and their organizations which are almost always majority female and who do all the unglamorous behind the scenes graft.

unlimiteddilutingjuice · 05/11/2018 03:41

Agree IdaBWells. This passage in particular is one of the clearest things I've seen written on the issue:

"This is when, she says, it all fell into place. “That’s what ‘self-identify’ means: anyone can say they are anyone… So, rich, privileged people can claim to be marginalized.”

IdaBWells · 05/11/2018 04:10

Exactly unlimited so well put.

RosesAndLilies · 24/10/2019 02:34

Following

Great quote

Asdoctorcuntybollocks says earlier in this thread, "Men who identify as women aren't treated as women - they're treated as very special men."

Also "failed men"- fits so well with the sporting issue!

RosesAndLilies · 24/10/2019 02:35

Following

Great quote

Asdoctorcuntybollocks says earlier in this thread, "Men who identify as women aren't treated as women - they're treated as very special men."

Also "failed men"- fits so well with the sporting issue!

RosesAndLilies · 24/10/2019 02:39

Sorry posting error!

umbel · 24/10/2019 07:45

It was a good thread to revive Roses. I missed it first time round. Plenty of interesting questions.

LangCleg · 24/10/2019 09:34

Always worth bumping this one!

zebrasdontwearbras · 24/10/2019 09:39

I was looking for this the other day - it's very useful against the "trans people are the most oppressed" trope.

PencilsInSpace · 24/10/2019 14:59

Here is the text of Deptford People's Project's original powerful statement (no longer available on Twitter):

Statement from Working class community workers from Deptford. We are attending the women’s meeting at the House of Commons today. We would like to offer an explanation as to why this is necessary. See below

After many years of working at grass roots within our community we have recently been made aware of an issue that directly effects the working class and women in our area.

You must understand we are not graduate activists or or women’s rights campaigners. We are community workers and our concerns regarding changes to the GRA come from a lifetime of personal experience and having worked with some of the most marginalise people in our area.

The majority of our recent projects have been working with rough sleepers, the homeless and those that have been excluded from society. The issues they face include: unsupported/ mental health illness, sexual violence and prostitution, childhood trauma and abuse...

domestic violence, poverty, ex care system issues, addiction, prison,rehab,homelessness and austerity.

The people in our community that we represent are the most likely to access/ be placed in sex segregated services.Some have and will access all of these services.

Our local political and community organisations have been infiltrated by a group of well meaning white middle class goldsmith (uni) students. These people although well intentioned have rail roaded many vital projects by introducing identity policies and intersectional thinking. They do this without truly understanding or experiencing working class issues.

Meetings we have attended for the purpose of discussing community housing projects and women’s wellness etc have been used as a platform to re educate working class people on the new academic language expected within our organisations.

As anyone from a working class back ground will tell you, these theories and ideologies rarely translate into working class communities.

The extremely small number of transsexual (I use the old term as this has a very different meaning to the university umbrella term currently thrown about) members of the community are and have always been excepted and protected by community organisations.

We are now informed that transgender people are being routinely abused (mis gendered) and should be protected above all other marginalised groups. All that has changed is privileged students have adopted a set of gender identities that allow them to be considered marginalised.

The people we encountered were far from marginalised. In fact they were highly educated, openly classist and aggressive.

This new politics doesn’t equate in our community or for the people we support. We are dealing with working class issues with severely marginalised people and the trans lobby is a gentrification of working class social and political movements. Note the difference between trans lobby and trans people who we support.

No one will discuss our concerns regarding self id. Our local Labour Party has refused to comment or debate with the working class people.

We are attending the meeting this evening as this is only place that is willing to discuss theses issues.

When we are being verbally abused and called fascists because we are concerned about the effects of policy change on marginalised people it is a direct attack on working class women and grass roots organisations.

when sharing information about this event and attempt to shut it down be aware that you are complicit in the silencing of not only women but working class people who have not afforded the privileged of a safe space or university education. Thank you x

RosesAndLilies · 24/10/2019 15:08

I read it yesterday for the first time. Some great points in this thread

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