Unintended Consequences of Self-ID Proposals

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It is becoming increasingly clear to many on here that the implications of Self-ID are far, far wider to groups outside the trans community than seem to have been picked up by MPs and trans-focused groups.

I thought it would be useful to capture some of these (feel free to link to other threads that list them) here. These could be things you have noticed already happening, or things that you are concerned about happening if the change in law goes ahead.

What happens to the definition of lesbian in the context of law/general understanding in society?

E.g. If a straight white male self-IDs as a woman put retains a penis, is he a lesbian in law?

I am interested in how TIMs and TIFs are taken into account in:

• gender pay gap reporting
• gender diversity targets (eg 30% women on boards).

Women will stop going out and doing things that single - sex provision allows them to do without thinking - ie - many women will be driven 'back indoors'.

Well, obviously it’s a bit of a perverts’ charter. On another thread someone linked to statistics in Canada showing that rapes in public spaces (changing rooms/toilets) had increased because any man could now legitimately enter these spaces because he could be identifying as a woman at that moment.

Obviously there are not teeming hordes of rapists out there and one could be accused of overreacting, but I for one don’t want ne’er do Wells to have the right to prowl around women’s spaces unchallenged.

Not my insight but what about implications for medical research and funding for sex-specific conditions if users of the service are randomly identifying as other sexes.

Same for crime statistics,
same for insights into lack of women in STEM, or girls taking STEMy subjects at 16 and beyond.
Massive homophobic implications if TRA fundamentalism spreads and young people are encouraed to ID as the opposite sex if they are non gender conforming, instead of being a happy gay or lesbian. I realise that sounds like an Enid Blyton novel

Old skool TIMs will have to re-negotiate their position with women all the time and women might also stop using the facilities used by TIMs Debbie H talks about that.

Wasting NHS time/money around sexed health checks.

Disabled/accessible toilets will be increasingly occupied by non disabled people avoiding mixed sexed occupation of toilets - for various reasons and not just women.

There is a known correlation between people who identify as trans and mental health issues and autism.

Self-ID and the recognition that trans is emphatically not a medical or mental health issue will make it harder for those with gender dysphoria to access surgeries, and make it less likely there will be any mental health interventions with others.

Effectively self-ID means that trans people will lose access to medical help for their condition that is no longer a condition.

Sorry, I realise this isn't a group outside the trans umbrella bit I think it is important to point out.

Abandonment of single sex wards in hospitals. There has been a long fight to end mixed wards and that may now be in vain.

Brilliant, keep them coming.

There was a spreadsheet with concerns and questions that someone pulled together from here, does anyone have a link to it?

Not calling people in for appropriate health checks and risking their health/lives.

I think it will pave away for feelings over facts in many other areas.
I’m scared for my former colleagues who will be unable to talk about human biology in terms of sex (this is already happening to some medics I used to work with). What other parts of the human body will we soon need to gloss over to spare feelings?

Are unintended consequences really unintended?

What are perfect way to get rid of women's rights and silence women at the same time.

What an excellent additional source of revenue for big pharma.

Reduced integration. Conservative communities will just keep to themselves.

Missing early diagnosis of heart attacks and other conditions as they present differently according to sex, not gender.

Sport would be a joke. Well, women’s sport would be a joke.

What will happen to the crime of indecent exposure if anyone committing it can just say they are a woman? Even if it is in front of children?

Statistics will be skewed and will be considered unreliable and government will stop funding sex specific studies. Unless they go with the men non-men designation of th Greens or adopt the cis/trans designation preferred by the transgender advocates.

Mass social awkwardness as people feel uncertain about being able to reference anything to do with sex (words like mum, dad, him, her, etc) in case of causing unintended offence/ hate crimes.

Loads of taboo subjects (biology/reproduction) and treading on egg shells. Speaking in euphemisms and never being able to be medically accurate in case of causing offence.

Loss of privacy away from opposite biological sex in women's toilets, used by many as a private space for many things like breast feeding, escaping predatory male behaviour. More detail on range of use of these spaces here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3203454-What-do-you-use-the-womens-toilets-for

Plug here www.sexmatters.org.uk/sexmatters.pdf

All single-sex spaces will be wiped. Just one person of the opposite sex present renders them meaningless.

When girls are raped at school it most often happens in the loo. I would expect this to increase but not be reported.

Organisations like Women's aid diverting funds for TIM specific refuges (and that's the best case scenario). Sexual health clinics running TIM specific clinics in place of some of their women's clinics (again that is the best case scenario... Worse in both cases will be mixed provisions). Whichever it is will result in less use of services by women which will save the government money in the short term but probably not in the long term with unwanted pregnancies going to term (already happening with access to abortion not currently meeting the need), the late detection of gynaecological disease and the cost of murder investigations.