TIM behaving abominably at IWD protest - videos

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Watch this aggressive, petulant TIM throw their weight around at a IWD march.

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I think there is a discussion about what is a woman at the end of the first clip. The women to the left of the TIM says, ‘What about a woman who has had a hysterectomy’. It is nonsensical, whataboutery and spectacularly misses the point.

Doesn't it just. If a person has had a hysterectomy is it because they are a WOMAN.

It seems that in order to appear progressive people are happy to pretend to be incredibly stupid.

If he had just kept his mouth shut, he could have passed.

But no. He had to be an obnoxious and unwated dick......

I guess there is a backlash against the sex industry by feminists in Australia - but wouldn't that be more likely to be against the industry being so patriarchal rather than the women themselves?

It is disappointing these videos aren't on utube where more people would see them. Could they be republished- I don't know the rules about that?

I was heartened to see that the woman holding the 'women's safety before men's feelings' sign looked quite young too.

I'm far from an expert. But my refusal to believe that the majority of prostituted women are of the "happy hooker" variety makes me a SWERF on Twitter apparently.

It stems from "choice" feminism, where the decision to sell sex is freely made and has no impact on society as a whole If you don't agree, you are excluding them.

CapnHaddock

I must admit, I don't really get the SWERF thing either.

Feminists are of the opinion that sex work is exploiting women.

And that punters should be criminalised, but not prostitutes.

I can't imagine anyone, who doesn't have a vested interest, advocating for prostitution.

I think it all comes down to the libfem/sex pozzie movement. Which claims that any choice a women makes is a feminist choice. Despite it disadvantaging women, and benefiting men.

The fact that it figures so highly in the 'TERF' narrative, makes it appear, to me, as though rank sexism is behind it.

It's also another obvious demonstration of the lack of trans-logic.

That claims, on the one hand, that transwomen are routinely murdered. Statistically, this is a far greater risk if they are prostitutes.

But criticising the sex industry is wrong!

So yeah, I don't get it.

Yes, the thing that struck me was that, in the context of the next woman's sign, the sign in the first video wasn't necessarily anti-trans - it was "women's safety before men's feelings", and the next sign was "no to porn" or something like that. So the trans person decided to have a go on the basis of signs which could be read as anti porn rather than anti trans.

Though as you say, the slurs of TERF and SWERF get flung around interchangeably. (Personally I prefer to think of myself as a PERF and PPERF - penis exclusionary and pimp and punter exclusionary).

But in terms of SWERF, what is it exactly that they are meant to be being excluded from?

He came there to put on a male dominance display and that is precisely what he did.
The sex worker exclusionary radical feminism accusation is a divide and conquer tactic promoted by pimps and punters. It has been explained many times that wanting to end sweat shops does not mean you hate sweat shop workers no more does hating child labor mean you hate children. It is part of the abusers DARVO tactic. Deny, accuse, reverse victim and offender.

Radical feminism is a perspective within feminism that calls for a radical reordering of society in which male supremacy is eliminated in all social and economic contexts. The term radical meaning going to the root causes.

Had the video been removed? I can’t see it when I follow the links

I had the impression that the sign he walloped was the one that said 'porn harms women'

I just don't understand. Although why I'm expecting logical arguments from this lot, I don't know!

I'm sure it is about DARVO.

Yes, the videos have been deleted.

I watched the first one about 10 minutes ago but second and third weren’t there. Now first vid has been removed as well.

Oh dear Lord. All the videos have been removed.

This is one of them, that is now on YouTube

It was, Tallulah. You could see it very clearly in one of the videos.

So they've gone "pffff". Hmm. From the camera angle I wonder if it was originally a handmaiden who made and posted them, then realised they weren't garnering quite the sympathetic response she'd expected.

He looks so much like a (male) friend of mine, it's scary

I saw this video in a secret group posted by one of the women there before it went public, and was going to suggest this to people here for tomorrow's march. I hope someone does!

tumblr post about it

Sorry that was in reply to ArcheryAnnie

In other news, I know what sign I'm now making for the march this Saturday.

What was wrong with her sign?

Arrogant, aggressive, bullying men like him deserve mocking.

He can get mocked. And when he gets there, he can get mocked right off to the other side of mock, and.then some.

Women: Afraid men will kill us.
Men: Afraid women will laugh at them.

I feel for him in a way. He came across as a young man who might be gay but can't accept himself.

He took exception to it as he doesn't consider himself a man, Glitter. Which begs the question why he decided it applies to him in the first place. I think there was also the typical reaction of "transphobia shouldn't be allowed to be expressed".