How many here are Guardians Subscribers?

[womanformallyknownaswoman]

I am increasingly concerned that The Guardian hasn't, and isn't, reflecting our concerns re TIMs being allowed wholesale access to women only spaces, without a proper debate.

The Tory press seem to be the only ones vocalising our concerns. How many here are subscribers to the Guardian i.e. pay them something?

I am loathe to hit them but really what action do we have left other than withdraw our money?

Why are you loathe to cancel your sub? Their journalism standards around self ID are woeful. Cancel your sub and tell them why

I've stopped reading it after doing so since I was early teens (I'm now late 40s). It's crap. Sadly didn't have a subscription though so can't help with cancelling and telling them why.

@CapnHaddock - maybe being overly loyal to the traditional paper of the left - their business model relies upon subscriptions not clickbait but they increasingly have gone down the clickbait route

@EnormousDormouse - I agree -it's not my read of choice anymore - something I'm sad about, they seem to have lost their roots re advocating for the dispossessed. I often often their pages and find nothing engaging, I noted yesterday that IWD didn't even show up at first glance on their headlines - had to go searching of it. The Telegraph on the other hand did a great analysis of the issues facing women in business - engaging and well presented

I read something from the Guardian editor recently that said they were hit by the double whammy of being battered re their involvement in the Snowden leaks coupled with the disruption of the newspaper sector. The current editor seems like a libfem and naive re women's issues - they seem to have lost their mojo from my perspective

They are in bed with Momentum, I wouldn’t give them a penny of my money.

I'm a subscriber. I don't like some of their journalism but feel I need to continue to support because if The Guardian fails then the whole of our mainstream press has a right wing bias.

I cancelled my subscription about a year ago, because OJ got up my nose once too often. He's always been a sanctimonious wee shit, even before he jumped on the trans wagon. It's sad the way the Guardian's gone. Anybody else remember the women's page in the 70s? Mary Stott and Jill Tweedie? That's where a lot of my awareness of feminist issues came from originally.

In defence of The Guardian, I would say the quality of actual reporting is mainly excellent and they look in to things that are often not examined elsewhere for example deaths of environmental activists as well as helping break the Panama papers.
I agree that many of the opinion writers are too alike with few dissenting voices, but where reader comments are allowed, I find them usually very balanced and more reflective of my own opinions. Some of them are gender critical - Catherine Bennett and I've seen Julie Bindel write pretty frequently in there too.
So many papers are behind paywalls when The Guardian isn't and subscribing is pretty cheap compared to many.

EmmaGrundy - I agree!

Plus it's easy to take the mick, for anyone who missed this in The Daily Mash about the Guardian family snowperson.

@womanformallyknownaswoman
You didn't look very hard then. There was 5 or 6 articles just down on the home page. Yes it was an important event, however given current events it is hardly headline news.

@littlelebowski
The dailymash is a satirical newspaper, as in similar to the DM, not real stories

They are in bed with Momentum

This is not true at all.
Katherine Vinery came to the Guardian from The Times. Her and her circle (Polly Toynbee etc) can't stand Corbyn and hates Momentum.

The Guardian are Chummy with Alistair Cambell and all the Blairite MPs particularly (aristocrat) Stella Creasy and her pals.

While the Trans Cult seems to have taken over Momentum, it is a cross party issue and has been determinedly embraced by the Blairite wing of Labour too.

Lebowski

Orphan I have middle aged nostalgia for the women's page too. It got me thinking critically as a teenager.

However I'm with you OP. They are promoting the oppression of half of the population. Wasn't a subscriber but I don't click on their site any more or buy the paper nowadays.

I was a regular Guardian reader until a couple of years ago when its complete failure to discuss both sides of the trans issue and the one sidedness of its reporting on many issues put me off. I don't want to be told what to think I like a debate.

I used to be, but I have given up on them due to all this trans stuff. The Marie Dean article and the puff piece uncritically advertising underage use of cross-sex hormones were the last nails in the coffin as far as I'm concerned. On this issue the paper has repeatedly advocated serious harm to vulnerable people.

I cancelled my subscription after the Marie Dean debacle. Wrote to the readers' editor as well to tell them why. Never heard back, of course.

It's a shame. The Guardian has always been 'my' paper. And it has some gender critical columnists (I love Hadley Freeman and was so pleased when she nailed her colours to the mast) - but it was the blatant influence of ideology within the reportage rather than the commentary that pissed me off. I can ignore the commentary but I want to be able to trust the reporting.

@dog1981
The Daily Mash is satirical? well, I never!!!!
I like your point about The Daily Mail though - also satirical and not real!

Subscriber and will continue to, Don’t agree with everything, but realistically I do not expect to when I buy a publication. It is by far the best newspaper by a country mile. No other reasonable alternatives that comes close in terms of quality.

@LittleLebowski
Apologies, I wasn't sure if you were posting it as a serious story.
Its hard to tell on t'internet. Again sorry.

I think some of the reporting Carole Cadwalladr has done is world class. I'd prefer to see more investigative stuff e.g. involving the forces behind TRAs/MRAs and their money trail plus propaganda use of social media.

For me they've lost the feminist focus - I'd rather they go back to having a women's page and publishing stuff that is provocative about the very real and complex challenges many women and children face - they've lost that focus imo in the face of a libfem "everything is all right and everything is possible if you work hard enough - very American and a reflection of the editor's history over there.

Where is the Poor Cow and Ken Loach type reporting?

I will never buy the Guardian. There's a great t shirt that Daily Mash sells with 'The Guardian. Wrong about everything, all the time' that pretty much sums it up for me. But I get a perverse pleasure in checking out certain stories on line, just to see how wrong they can be. And they never disappointed.

I was a subscriber - cancelled my subscription over 6 months ago. Took out a Times subscription and have been pleasantly surprised. There are some great writers and genuinely investigative reporting. And I can read both right and left wing views about issues (eg Brexit). Their coverage of self ID has been increasingly good.
Some of the below the line comments are tediously anti women / right wing (just like the Grauniad) but there are obviously a lot of intelligent gender critical women posting.

After that Gary Dean article where they so obviously left out the facts about what a huge pervert he is, I completely lost all respect for The Guardian. It was outrageous and makes them no better than the DM.

I don't agree with everything in the guardian and would like to see an unbiased newspaper with no affiliation with any particular political leaning. As that is not how things are done at the moment, I'd hate to lose one of the few left wing media outlets remaining. The rest have varying degree of right wing bias.

Me......long-time reader..... cannot believe they are behaving like this....