Guardian article

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The Guardian has published one of its typically woke articles on transgenderism. Interesting tactic, likening critics to flat-earther types. The big surprise is that they've allowed comments. And that, in the main, Guardian readers aren't buying it:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/08/understand-solar-system-gender-ignorant-transgender

Sorry, can't work out how to do links on my phone

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Thanks for that SweetGrapes

I hear Mars wants to self-identify as a moon and Jupiter has announced that from now on everyone has to respect its right to assert that it is the centre of the system.

snort!! on my keyboard.

Oh hurrah!! After being thoroughly terrified and depressed by Labour's interrogations of Venice and Jennifer, the comments under this article have cheered me up no end! Thank god the Guardian allowed comments for once, although I bet they're regretting it now

Haha! That article is so unintentionally hilarious!

Mind you, if one of my students write it, I'd have to fail them...

I suspect that the Guardian is trying to speed up its inevitable death... they won't win any fans with this crap.

Let's hope it's a wake-up call to them, and they realise how out of touch they are with their readers (and some of their own journalists, who have broken ranks on Twitter). I won't hold my breath though.

Did you read the Gaby Hinsliff article as well? Using "gender assigned at birth" gives me the absolute rage!

Those comments are really heartening actually. No-one (outside the trans echo chamber) believes.

It’s still unfortunate that not very many realise the impact it will have on women though...

Weird. Combine it with the other article today on 'the right wing hate my vagina' and you'd think that they are deliberately turning into a parody of themselves.

Interesting that the author is employed at Google, given the multiple sexual discrimination lawsuits going on and the infamous memo (and its fallout).

The article is idiotic. Many of the comments are great.

This was a stupid, typically ignorant comment. I'd put money that it's by a man:

Consider the alternative prison scenario; a post-opp transgender woman is not allowed to identify as a woman. She's put in a men's prison. That's not going to end well either; she belongs in a woman's prison.

Er, no that's your opinion.

Likewise if a lesbian is sent to prison for assaulting women, she's not going to be sent to a men's prison, is she?

No, because she's an actual woman. So obviously needs to go to a woman's prison.

They're so smug and pleased with their "logic" about something which costs them absolutely nothing. It's repulsive.

I love this comment. I hope I am allowed to put it here.

What it boils down to is the entirety of the gender debate - all of it - is about courtesy. Nothing more complicated or sophisticated than that. It's about working out and codifying a certain social contract that stops people from causing upset or being arseholes: using the correct names, correct descriptors, correct pronouns, that sort of thing. But that's all it is. Even when these things are accepted across the board, all they are is courtesy. They are not indicative of anything else, certainly not 'belief' and it's this reality that trans people need to come to terms with and their allies (such an odd term) need to stop pretending doesn't exist.

As a bunch of shaved chimps, our ability to discern (and indeed, need to discern) between males and females is as subconscious and innate as our need to breathe in and out; changing pronouns for someone makes not one bit of difference to this and so you cannot insist that people stop doing it. You cannot call a person a bigot for not believing someone else's identity because you are never entitled to change that belief. Therein lies the rub here; there is never going to be a point where people either fail to make these distinctions or cease to care. The best you can hope for is they (courteously) keep it to themselves.

I can't see one comment underneath that agrees or supports it?

Oh ffs.

It's the belief that you can be male or female "inside your head" that's the flat-earth belief here.

The fact people are male or female bodied, which are externally observable and recognised by each other, is like walking around the earth. You see it. You know it. It's a fact.

That comment about courtesy is a good one. Yes ppl will say he or she and use a new name but no one believes you have changed sex.

Fuck off The Guardian.

*which is

The graun comments are usually an odd mix of utter swamp life and some quite coherent and sensible people.

Glad to see sanity prevail on this one.

The problem, as someone says above is that the majority are not linking this to the consequences of self Id. They’re seeing it (as I did at first) as some wanky metropolitan crap that affects them not one bit, that they can roll their eyes over and go back to living.

What’s sorely needed is some articles in the mainstream press about how this will all pan out if it goes ahead. Let’s see who’s ‘woke’ then

And yet I'd suggest they're the flatearthers...

The whole article could be written from that POV.

I bet Prof Cox isn't too impressed at the scientific appropriation...

Kristina is not impressed:

twitter.com/kj_harrison/status/972014430295871489?s=21

The comments are great. The author, on the other hand, has made a complete tit out of themselves. It's so badly written.

The author is a Tea Uglow. From 2016:

She says she never felt “trapped” in that body, and was happy as a son, husband and father of her two small boys.

She benefited from “white male privilege” and easy “leadership” opportunities. “You get pushed into things as a boy in a way that you don't as a girl…and you are given encouragement,” she says. “I might not have ended up in the position I am in if I’d been born with a woman’s body.”

www.semipermanent.com/articles/designing-woman

They're so smug and pleased with their "logic" about something which costs them absolutely nothing. It's repulsive.

That's the vast majority of posters btl on any Guardian article tbh.

I used to spend a lot of time there but got increasingly fed up of the lefty dudebros, so many of them didn't have anything even half way intelligent to say but were sanctimoniously full of rightthink. Tiresome.

Luckily I found MN and only very occasionally now venture over to the Guardian and read btl - I usually regret it when I do.

Aaagh I clicked, having sworn not to support the Guardian...

The author transitioned in 2016.

Cross posted Vango. It's a shame. Sounds like Tea could have been a good advocate for GNC acceptance. But fell down the transgender rabbit hole instead.

You may still think, “Well, that’s fine, clearly you do exist – but men are men and women are women.” Which is OK. You are exercising the right to your own beliefs, and to treat people differently based on those beliefs. That’s called a prejudice and acting upon it is called discrimination.

But science is science. Biological men are biological men and biological women are biological women. That’s not discrimination, that’s observation of scientific fact.

Isnt the discrimination in all this actually manifesting as people saying, “No if you want to wear that or like that then you can’t be a man or woman. You must be the opposite.”