Guardian article

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The Guardian has published one of its typically woke articles on transgenderism. Interesting tactic, likening critics to flat-earther types. The big surprise is that they've allowed comments. And that, in the main, Guardian readers aren't buying it:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/08/understand-solar-system-gender-ignorant-transgender

Saying men are men and women are women is not a belief, it's a factual observable reality and it's not a prejudice either.

Words actually mean things ffs!

I saw this, this morning:

I will end on a quote: “If you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” ~Malcolm X.

At the end of this: medium.com/@charllandsberg/an-open-letter-to-j-k-rowling-e8a12e8868ea

(Interestingly JKR liked another article by the same author she was criticised for liking the article of in this piece, which is how I came across it in some follow up googling.)

Anyway, I just keep seeing things and thinking, ‘no! It’s the other way round.’

It’s women that are being oppressed and having hate directed at them. I’ve not seen anyone say they’re against trans people just that they’re against the Self ID proposals but it’s being framed as hate and discussion and debate is being shut down. It’s so frustrating.

It’s good the Guardian left comments open on this. It’s good to see people outside of the feminist boards on here and outspoken femisnists on twitter sharing the same views. It gives me hope that people will stand up and say noo if push comes to shove.

The article is utterly, moronically stupid. The Guardian should be ashamed of itself for publishing such crap.

Good to see that it's the more sensible comments that are getting the highest number of upticks.

I think the author was trying to bamboozle people into agreeing by using a space analogy...

Bamboozling is a common TRA tactic...

It is indeed like the flat earthers....

Your eyes, your brain and all of science tells you that the Earth is round. But instead, you are told that this is WRONG and you must go against all evidence and sense and stop offending people and agree that the Earth is flat.

How bizarre! I’ve always thought of people who buy the whole gender is an internal identity/spectrum as being like flat earthers. Just shows how little they understand of the GC position and their own position. Terrifying lack of self awareness and barely a grip on reality. I had a relative who developed delusions. She used to insist and repeat and berate anyone who didn’t believe her too.

The comments are wonderful. What a breath of fresh air!

Good grief. What a fatuous article.

The writer, who is trans, claims to be "running out of sexual identities".

Let me guess - is a transwoman rather than a transman.

Off to Google to see if I am correct.

I guessed correctly.

I wonder what the clues were...

Whenever The Guardian receives comments that don't toe the party line on an article, they close comments sharp-ish. Comments were closed after two hours on this piece of execrable nonsense.

The article is excrutiating to read -they're throwing in the odd scientific word like 'correlate' as though that proves anything with no evidence just self-entitled guff!

Correlation is not causation!

That article gave me the rage, especially the bit quoted by Vodka But the whole thing made me angry - you can't just try and dismantle reality and expect folk to just fall into line.

That's the vast majority of posters btl on any Guardian article tbh.

This is a very fair point! I used to really take them on about feminist issues like rape, DV and sexual harassment but it was like banging my head against a wall most of the time. I stopped commenting there about 3 years ago.

Whenever The Guardian receives comments that don't toe the party line on an article, they close comments sharp-ish. Comments were closed after two hours on this piece of execrable nonsense.

The author was whinging about it on Twitter last night. Obviously thinking eventually the TRA cavalry would arrive and it would get more positive comments.

you can't just try and dismantle reality and expect folk to just fall into line.

You get a hint of just how out of touch and narcissistic transactivists are when you realise that's exactly what they're expecting.

It’s a terribly written piece. It’s as though the author has thought, ‘I need some science here’ then realised ‘actually, I have no idea about science, but all these words sound really impressive. I’ll use them all.’

I’ve seen this technique used a few times by TRAs even on here - it’s like word salad with big sciences words. It makes the author look foolish and borderline delusional.

And yes the graun is a bugger forbflouncing the comments closed. Comment is free, unless the petulant author flounces.,

you can't just try and dismantle reality and expect folk to just fall into line.

as I keep saying, Reality isn't Transphobic. Reality isn't a Belief. Reality may be very harsh- but it's all we have unless we want to dissolve into psychosis and fantasy.

People occupy a broad circular spectrum of behaviours that are boyish, girlish, or something else altogether.

Does pointing out that gender is an oppressive hierarchy that needs to be abolished count as “girlish” behaviour?

I feel like a load of brain cells willingly died off just reading that article. Comments are heartening though.

www.semipermanent.com/articles/designing-woman

An earlier piece about Tea...

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That's about the same time that I stopped posting btl too.

There used to be some great female (and some great male) posters from whom I learned a lot but I noticed over time that the female ones I knew and looked out for seemed to fall away - seems you may have been one! - with only the dudebros remaining.

Once again I'm so glad I found MN!

That piece is really quite sad, Fine.

“I see things from a female perspective,” she says. “I always have…only I’ve now gone from thinking my whole life that I was an abnormal man to realising that I’m a perfectly normal woman”.

If you’re an ‘abnormal man’, that’s a problem with how we define ‘man’, it’s not a problem with YOU. But nope, anything that doesn’t fit in the box labelled ‘man’ must be female!

No wonder there’s so many ‘progressive’ lefty blokes cheering on stuff like this. If they didn’t they’d have to budge up and make room in the ‘man’ category for men who don’t fit into it at present, and like hell they’re going to do that. Much easier to tell women to move over instead and yell at us for being bigots who don’t understand gender if we don’t.

I winder if athe aguardian will be slowing comments in the future 😂

This comments have cheered me up, I do hope they give the Guardian editors something to think about over the weekend.

Please excuse typos!