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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

TRA arrested outside Department for Health

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TimbuktuTimbuktu · 08/03/2018 12:13

"A protester who was taking part in an Women’s Strike UK action at the Department of Health and Social Care has been arrested, the group says.

According to the group:

Trans women and their allies were peacefully protesting the Department of Health this morning to call urgent attention to the failings in the provision of healthcare for trans people."

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/mar/08/international-womens-day-2018-live-protests-press-for-progress-live

I bet you a tenner it's one of our Action for Trans Health Pals.

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IAmMatty · 08/03/2018 14:25

Jesus christ Red Angry

Springtrolls · 08/03/2018 14:28

That is really shocking Red.
I wonder if the policymakers are thinking about the queue-jumping, threatening legal action that will happen.

Goldmonday · 08/03/2018 14:29

Fuck me @RedToothBrush I have never heard this issue raised before thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Exactly what healthcare don't they receive? A magic box of hormones?

Ereshkigal · 08/03/2018 14:44

If trans people are mentally ill because they routinely face violence, why aren't ALL women continually mentally ill?

That's fucking effect and cause, not cause and effect.

It's such palpable nonsense which is never challenged.

Ereshkigal · 08/03/2018 14:46

The issue is that women's biological health is so far down the political agenda that no one gives a shit. Women's health isn't regarded as political currency that will win votes nor is it valued as important in its own right.

This.

TerfsUp · 08/03/2018 14:47

Almost every trans person I know is severely mentally ill.

No one who is "severely mentally ill" should be in a position of authority as their capacity to reason and make sound judgements.

It's really a bit of an own goal, there.

TerfsUp · 08/03/2018 14:49

Are the activists going to jump up and down shouting transphobia then, and go legal on the shelters?

Yes. Because they see themselves as the only vulnerable members of society.

FurryGiraffe · 08/03/2018 14:51

Almost every trans person I know is severely mentally ill.

But identifying as trans must definitely, emphatically not be regarded as a mental health issue Hmm

DonkeySkin · 08/03/2018 14:51

'too posh to push'

So much dehumanising misogyny in that phrase, it makes me feel ill.

Utterly contemptuous dismissal of the acute physical and mental health impacts of pregnancy and birth on women.

I had perinatal depression when I was pregnant with DD, and am so thankful that I was able to access specialist mental health care.

MeltingSnowAfterHeavyFall · 08/03/2018 14:54

I have concerns for the mental health of many in UK leadership, they listen and action #TransCult demands. For the few not the many!

Atthebottomofthesea · 08/03/2018 14:55

I think the 'the NHS don't do enough' is in relation to waiting lists and having to 'jump through hoops' to get anything. The comparison is made to a boob job, which I as a cis woman can just have no questions asked, apparently so they should be able to have drugs etc on demand.

For some reason they never compare it on a more like for like basis such as female sterilisation because that would blow the argument out the window.

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 14:59

Boob job? I have a friend who wanted a reduction on the NHS for physical and mental reasons.

Would the NHS let her?

Nope. She had to go private.

As I say, join the queue.

Elendon · 08/03/2018 15:01

I knew someone with PND. She was found walking the streets in late October in her bare feet with the baby in a sling. Thankfully it was someone she knew who found her.

The 'father' had gone back to his wife.

Elendon · 08/03/2018 15:09

From Womenstrike

Thursday is about solidarity between all women – trans women, women of colour, indigenous, working class, disabled, migrant, sex workers, Muslim, lesbian and queer.*

Good luck with that! Lesbian and trans do not mix. Muslim women have distinct problems of their own. Sex workers and migrants conflate constantly.

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 15:12

indigenous???

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 15:13

I thought these people were supposed to be politically correct!

Indigenous???

Elendon · 08/03/2018 15:14

And what if a working class woman votes Conservative?

Tanith · 08/03/2018 15:18

"Oh and just throwing this out there because its relevant and I'm sick to death of suicide bingo.

Suicide is a leading cause of death during pregnancy and one year after birth"

I've long suspected it and I'm glad to have figures to back it up.
I'm a childminder and I have seen for myself how vulnerable these women are.

Elendon · 08/03/2018 15:22

womenstrike.org.uk/2018/03/08/international-womens-day-peaceful-protester-arrested/amp/

The picture shows you exactly who don't want to be recognised - hint: they are wearing a half face mask. There are at least two.

They all look freezing.

Atthebottomofthesea · 08/03/2018 15:24

The argument with the boob job is that I could if I so desired go to my local branch of Boobs are us and 'demand' a boob job as long as I was willing to pay of course.

Therefore, because I am able to change my body by a boob job without question they should be able to take hormones without question.

But they can't so they stamp their feet and shout about how unfair it is.

TimbuktuTimbuktu · 08/03/2018 15:36

But if they were willing to pay for a boob job they could have a boob job.

I mean there are doctors who will turn people into cats and dragons- they will do boobs no problem!

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Anatidae · 08/03/2018 15:47

Powerful posts redtoothbrush I was unaware of the scale of this as well.

Although given how I was treated during pregnancy, I can’t say it shocks me :(

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 15:49

There is a reason you do get questioned about having surgery (or you are supposed to) even if you go private. You are supposed to understand the risks and the surgeon has to be satifised that you fully understand the implications so you don't sue their ass off later.

Its easy to say about how women in particular have been the victims of malpractice when this hasn't been done properly.

See the French breast implant scandal or when mesh implants were used and women were not properly advised of the risks and were frankly experimented on without giving proper consent for that.

If you are getting hormones, even if you are a woman, you get the third degree (and perhaps they will try and persuade you to use a coil or implant, even if you don't want a coil or implant and make that clear) because they had side effects, and given we don't know the long term effects of hormone use in the opposite sex, that's a pretty big deal.

Yet they don't want to do the research either. They just want the healthcare.

That kind of proves the point that perhaps they are not really capable of making an informed decision...

PositivelyPERF · 08/03/2018 15:57

Poor diddums is still waiting for treatment a few months after referral. 😭

Try waiting over 15 fucking years for a hysterectomy because you’re a woman with endometriosis that doesn’t want children. 15 fucking years, because the medical profession think you might change your mind. I should have said I was a man and it would have been whipped out ASAP. Whining little arse. 😠

Todayissunny · 08/03/2018 16:07

Red's statistics

It is disgusting that so much energy has had to been diverted away from working on these fundamental life threatening issues that women face everyday. Instead too much time and effort needs to instead be invested in fighting for the right to defend and even discuss what being a women is and our right to exist.

Women should never have been put in this position.

The people selected to represent women for political parties or other organisations should be fighting for improvements to the appalling lack of services and support for women's health, safety and well-being and the shocking levels of violence and abuse women face. These are the real issues facing millions of women and it will only get worse because voices are being lost.

Regarding suicide and trans women. I read somewhere (US statistics), the rates of suicide and attempted suicide in trans people doesn't change at any stage of transitioning. the rate is the same before a person 'decides' they are trans as it is after 'full' transition.

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