Transactivist and war on women - spectator

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www.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/transgender-activists-and-the-real-war-on-women/
Transgender activists and the real war on women
A dispatch from the new front line in free speech

Written by Judith Green of a Woman's Place

I think Owen Jones has probably just pushed me far enough now. I have always matched my Times subscription with Guardian contribution - I see the News Statesman is about to go behind a paywall and am thinking of switching my Guardian contribution to NS instead.

Have The Guardian done any critical articles to redeem themselves?

I thought I was the last person left that reads things from both sides!
Most of my friends don't seem to and don't even seem to understand the benefits of doing so! Anything even vaguely to the right of far left is "bigoted" or some kind of "-phobia".
I used to read the Guardian more but have really fallen out with it the past year or so.
I find that The Spectator does a fair few articles from both sides though which is think is great. I know they're traditionally Tory and most of the editors would agree with the more right wing stuff but they seem open minded and willing to explore other points of view.

Thanks for the Telegraph paste Mateysmum - was going to try to link to it, but I'not subscribed.

Very good article: cisgender women are being told that someone who has lived most of her life as a man, with all the associated privilege such an existence bestows, who still has ownership and use of the male genitalia with which she was born, is as much a woman as someone who was born female, who has lived as a female and who has suffered for being a female.

Should be completely damn obvious to anyone.

Very good article from the Telegraph, though I object to the use of 'cisgender'.

Have The Guardian done any critical articles to redeem themselves?

Only ever seen Catherine Bennett for The Observer (got a rollicking too), plus a slightly critical tweet from Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett. Nice to see Nick Cohen retweeted Gappy Tales' recent appeal to the Labour Party, so on the sly I think there must be some. I find it hard to believe that journos like John Harris and Paul Mason could not find the situation totally ridiculous.

Hadley Freeman, who writes about fashion in Saturday's Guardian, tweets very sensibly about these issues.

Yes I've seen Hadley's tweets, which gave me some hope but thinking I do really need to withdraw Guardian contribution and say why and support Helen Lewis/NS with the cash instead...

Terfsup you're famous too now as your post has been tweeted by James Kirkup.

Hadley Freeman is GC but her column is fashion based so it doesn't get that much into issues. She's really funny though.

She has had some great swipes at Little Owen Jones on Twitter.

Oh cross post there!

The next meeting should be advertised widely as a Ladies Bring and Buy Sale. The trans won't come near us.

Oliver James is GC (according to his twitter, from a psychological POV) and contributes to the Guardian.

I don't think he's ever published anything on that theme in it though.

Yes I believe the end goal for most men supporting this is the abolition of AWS. They are using the TIMs for their own agenda, not that the TIMs don't have an agenda of their own i.e validation but there are a few things at play here.

If they succeed and AWS are finished all these TIMs may find much of the support to get them into Parliament suddenly disappears.

Well he wasn't in favour of AWS in 2011. How convenient if AWS were taken over by male transwomen, or simply made meaningless by self-ID?

labourlist.org/2011/02/the-trouble-with-all-women-shortlists/

His argument read to me like AWS might not broaden class representation. BUT he did begin the piece by saying:

"The lack of women represented in the House of Commons is nothing less than a national disgrace. We’re over 80 years on from winning universal suffrage, but only one in five MPs don’t have a Y chromosome."

so at that point, anyway, it sounded like he accepted that women were people without the Y chromosome.

^ oooh good point. Might be worth pointing out his own words to him some time.

I once read a letter in the Telegraph that said the writer read that paper because he, many years before, had been told by his University tutor never to read a newspaper that reinforced his prejudices.
I thought it good advice, and still do.

Might be worth pointing out his own words to him some time.

He really, really doesn't like it when that happens.

Excellent article.

I am very late to the trans debate, seeing it in my periphery vision but mistakenly thought it was a left issue debating amongst themselves - ie. Owen Jones loving sound of his own voice. I switch off channel every time I come across the one dimensional pony.

It is worrying to think there are hordes of women out there the same as me that would have an opinion, but have tuned out as are wrongly assuming common sense will prevail.

I don't think this has truly become cross party yet and that is a problem. I guess anyone on the centre or right is worried about it being used against them as 'phobic' etc

Apologies if I'm stating the obvious which has been gone over, but I haven't read any previous threads on this issue and I can now see a lot of debate has been had.

OJ is Narcissus stuck by the pool (as is the Guardian) gazing at the beauty of their empathy and how much they 'feel' on their perceived victims' behalf.

I picture him having two way conversations in the bath discussing why he's right about something and then agreeing with himself. -and possibly congratulating himself before he pops into bed and turns the light out. That's how you debate OJ style and why I always switch over.

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You are so right about this being cross party. We need all women and men to appreciate the risks with self ID - it won't just be feminists affected by the consequences.

It's good that men are starting to write and talk about it . This battle will not be won until everyone starts talking about the problems, especially the grooming and gaslighting of children. #nodebate has been very successful but slowly the realities are being exposed.