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Transactivist and war on women - spectator

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 09:54

www.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/transgender-activists-and-the-real-war-on-women/
Transgender activists and the real war on women
A dispatch from the new front line in free speech

Written by Judith Green of a Woman's Place

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TerfsUp · 08/03/2018 11:10

Brilliant article! Keep up the good work, The Spectator.

The journalism in The Spectator shows that rag, The Guardian, for the tripe that it is.

TerfsUp · 08/03/2018 11:11

Because OJ is a misogynist.

SweetGrapes · 08/03/2018 11:13

Stop telling women to budge up. Owen, get off your arse and make sure your male toilets and spaces are safe for trans folk - both TIF and TIM who may use it.

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 11:19

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Transactivist and war on women - spectator
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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 11:20

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NoqontroI · 08/03/2018 11:21

That's brilliant.

LeverMyArmchairBack · 08/03/2018 11:25

Guardian women should get a grip or two and throw Owen Jones under the metaphorical bus. He is neither a woman nor a transexual or TIM (I think!). Why is he so invested and such a loud voice in this conversation anyway?

Why indeed?Hmm

Collidascope · 08/03/2018 11:41

I used to read the Guardian avidly. I don't think I've been on it since that piece about Marie Dean, the poor woman on a hunger strike. Woman apparently being "any man who likes wanking in girls' knickers".
Also won't touch the Independent anymore.
The Spectator, Times and Guido are actually publishing gender critical women's opinions rather than silencing them, and as far as I can see, they aren't doing it in a snide "aren't feminists and transgender people ridiculous??" way, even if that's what some of the commenters btl are taking from it. I respect them for getting the other side of the argument out there.

AnotherTerfyNameChange · 08/03/2018 12:04

OMG i'm famous!!!

TerfsUp · 08/03/2018 12:12

Huzzah, Terfy!

senua · 08/03/2018 12:16

The managers of the venues we book are harassed, our attendees are abused, our organisers are threatened. For our most recent meeting, held in London last week, we had to disclose the location only a few hours before it started, just to be safe.

I wish that they would explain this on Eventbrite. I've been holding off booking because I have been waiting to see where the "tba" venue is.

creaturefeatures · 08/03/2018 12:17

The Guardian once upon a time would've been the only paper I'd subscribe to. Now I'm going to subscribe to The Times instead.

I feel completely let down by Left Wing parties and the Left Wing media who are so keen to trample over important and hard won women's rights with any debate labelled 'transphobia'.

I feel cast adrift to be honest. People care more for the rights of men who want to be women than actual women. It doesn't surprise me, but I wish it did. The whole thing has been extremely eye opening.

I'm also wondering...are there Gay only shortlists or roles (for example at Stonewall). I don't really want to disrupt things for gay people but I feel like the only way people listen is when men are inconvenienced. Perhaps we could all identify as men (and those of us with male partners are therefore gay) and we can enter any competitions, roles or organisations specifically for gay men?

KochabRising · 08/03/2018 12:34

Can I add private eye to the list of gender critical news publications?

WhereAreWeNow · 08/03/2018 12:35

I think that's an excellent article. Women's Place seem to be doing sterling work.

KochabRising · 08/03/2018 12:39

And I agree completely on the guardian. I used to subscribe, but no longer. The rot set in for me when I started to see apologist op-ed pieces which placed the beliefs of religious men over women’s legal rights. There was no subtlety in these Op ed pieces, just ‘women, know your place.’ That plus the attitude that the working class are some poor stupid pet species to be patronised.

It’s since spread to the tra movement, but the guardian now firmly places womens rights enshrined in law below men’s feelings. And frankly almost anyone else’s feelings.

The graun seems to have a victim ladder - it seems to rank oppressed groups by worthiness - women are firmly at the bottom of that ranking just now.

KatherinaMinola · 08/03/2018 12:41

The New Statesman has also been a good source of gender-critical debate.

pevofifuja · 08/03/2018 12:46

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Pootlebug · 08/03/2018 13:46

I'm another former long-term Guardian reader who now subscribes to the Times.

Callmejudith · 08/03/2018 13:51

I am plucking up the courage to post this on my facebook.

The sub ed (I think) of the Spectator was on Andrew Marr at the weekend and is definitely GC.

spikyjelly · 08/03/2018 15:12

@AnotherTerfyNameChange
If you've recently discovered The Times, Speccie etc to be useful news sources you might also enjoy www.spiked-online.com/
They've fairly recently posted GC articles. Almost all writers/editors are self declared liberals but more classically liberal/more sensible than the Guardian lot.

mateysmum · 08/03/2018 15:26

Article in the Telegraph today. It's behind a paywall, so have copied and pasted.

Radical transgender politics are being imposed on Labour's women with no debate and no mercy
TOM HARRIS

An International Women’s Day confession: I didn’t support All-Women Shortlists (AWSs) when Labour first introduced them under the leadership of John Smith. I believed them to be undemocratic and unfair. And then I had a conversation with the wonderful Lorna Fitzsimons, the then Labour MP for Rochdale.

We were sitting in the Commons tea room while, just along the corridor, in the main chamber, the legislation making AWSs legal was being debated. There would be no vote, because by then any opposition in principle had been rebranded as misogyny. Parliamentary careers have been lost for much less. So the many colleagues who I knew shared my reservations did what I did: said nothing and waited for the whips to tell us when we could go home.

But Lorna that night just about changed my mind, or at least gave me new perspectives on the issue. She didn’t berate me for my views, she simply asked me to explain them. Then she offered her own arguments, the most powerful of which – and this was one I had not previously considered – was that where a “favoured son” in a local party was known to be excluded from standing as a candidate, then talented, able women who otherwise might not have considered standing would throw their hats in the ring. It was less about excluding men than broadening the potential talent pool.

And so it has proved, despite my reservations. So many female Labour MPs have put their male colleagues to shame with their contributions to public life since an AWS illuminated their paths to the green benches of the Commons.

So if I wasn’t a full convert, I could at least appreciate anew the opposing argument’s strengths.

It’s tempting to conclude that Labour is embarking on a new national conversation, this time about whether or not trans women – particularly those who remain male in all biological senses but who self-identify as women – should be allowed to stand as a candidate in seats reserved exclusively for women. But such a debate is not taking place. At all.

The rules have certainly changed, but the battle was won without a single shot being fired. Those who oppose this change have been told to shut up.

They have been abused, sometimes physically. They have been called names. Some have even been suspended from the Labour Party for expressing a view that is surely shared by much of the populace, namely that someone who still possesses every physical attribute of a man cannot, in any real sense, be described as a woman, however strongly she may feel that to be the case.

Having secured, after much difficulty and conflict, a historically high level of representation in the Commons, cisgender women are being told that someone who has lived most of her life as a man, with all the associated privilege such an existence bestows, who still has ownership and use of the male genitalia with which she was born, is as much a woman as someone who was born female, who has lived as a female and who has suffered for being a female.

And they are not being asked their views. They are being told that this is right and that if they disagree, they are wrong. The arrogance is astonishing and it is unacceptable.

The silence from many woman who will be affected by this rule change might lead us to believe that it has the whole-hearted support of Labour women. Maybe it does. It certainly has the support of columnist and Corbyn enthusiast Owen Jones, who tweeted gleefully yesterday that “anti-trans activists” had “overplayed their hands so much, they made Labour more pro-trans rights”. Oh, how the tears and anguish of those silly feminists with their years of campaigning for women’s rights must have delighted Owen in his triumph!
Labour cannot even accept that allowing trans women to stand on all-women shortlists is a controversial step. It may turn out to be the right one, just as the introduction of AWSs in the first place were controversial but, in the end, the right policy. But the party won’t even allow doubt to be expressed. If you oppose it, you’re wrong, you’re a bigot, you’re transphobic and you don’t belong in the Labour Party.

Yet of ourse it’s controversial – how could it possibly be anything else? And many, many women, both inside and outside the Labour Party are angry because they see a hard-won concession being compromised and devalued.

If I still opposed AWSs, I might support allowing trans women making use of them – all the better to undermine the very principle that underpins them and – who knows? – it might even lead to legal action that forces the party to abandon them altogether.

But that would be a shame: AWSs have done good and they will do more good before they are no longer needed. Trans women, if they wish to, should stand for parliament, just like everyone else, no one is preventing that. But they don’t need to use all-women shortlists to do so.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 08/03/2018 15:27

I fell out with the grauniad when they published an article by Decca Aitkenhead about Louise Mensch which went on for a full page about whether she'd had plastic surgery.

Fucking misogynist through and through. And utterly stupid. I've seen Sisters Uncut and if any of them have ever paid for a newspaper I'll eat my pants.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 08/03/2018 15:32

Thanks for the Telegraph article. Tide is only going one way. We have to hope it's in time...

AnotherTerfyNameChange · 08/03/2018 15:37

Yes i like Spiked Smile

Been reading Times and Guardian for years (DH is true-blue Tory) for balance, rarely agreed with Times editorials/columnist. Guardian been going downhill.

DH has Spectator subscription and I skim it but Rod Liddle and Toby Young make me seethe. So its been refreshing to see James Kirkup saying really sensible supportive non-sneary stuff, and then Judith getting a space in there too!
And as for Guido - well! I never thought Id ever approve anything there Grin

I'm woman enough to admit that I now respect those publications - good on them!

icedtea · 08/03/2018 15:41

Great article and good on the Spectator for publishing it.